Unfortunately the difference in price can be remarkable also. I would love to feed a human kibble but that would require selling the farm to do so. I just tangled with Petco. Everytime they put dog food on sale they raise the price a $1.00. before it goes on sale and of course it does not come bad down. A 37.5 lb bag of proplan adult is now $33.99 plus tax. I have one I feed venision and rice to. $41 a bag. No wonder I can't show dogs ----- Original Message ----- From: RivendellP<mailto:rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Chicken Soup...etc. Fresh, Pure, Wholesome Ingredients Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, turkey meal, whole grain brown rice, whole grain white rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), oatmeal, potatoes, cracked pearled barley, millet, duck, salmon, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite (source of vitamin K activity), riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid. These are the ingredients as posted on the web site. You will notice the 1st 2 ingredients are chicken and turkey. Then they list chicken meal and turkey meal. The problem with this is in order to create a product that can be "extruded" into a kibble they must remove all of the moisture from the chicken and the turkey. When they do that, it takes over 50 % of the wieght by volume out of the chicken and the turkey. Chicken and turkey are NOT the 1st 2 ingredients in the kibble. Chicken meal and turkey meal are. This is legal but disreputable advertising and AAFCO does nothing when they do it. Diamond is a good company but they have embarked down the slippery slope of not being up front with their customers. Some months ago they sent a sales rep to see us as we had stopped using Diamond for the kennel dogs. We used to buy a pallet every 3 weeks during the busy times and stopped. The rep was a little too "Slick" for my taste and tried to convince me they had a new process to extrude liquids. When I pressed him for proof he backed off and let the subject drop. Read the labels with knowledge you get from others on "Da List". Other than the decptive listing of chicken and turkey, the product looks good and if it works...that's all the better. I do, however, suggest to use "human grade" kibbles when possible. The difference in quality can be striking as they are manufactured under supervision of USDA instead of AAFCO. JMO...as always Paul Visit Rivendell on 'da web' at www.rivendellgsd.com<http://www.rivendellgsd.com/> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:admin@xxxxxxxxxxx>. VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org<http://www.showgsd.org/> ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================