Not sure what I said that is "not true" in regard to this post.......but I would never argue that these Breeds or ANY breed does not bloat. Especially since that is my point!! I believe every breed and dog is capable of bloat in the right circumstances....not to mention a lot of animals of other species.. My point was that I do not believe a Great Dane has the same rib and chest conformation as our GSD ( nor do I consider them a deep chested breed ) and that I find Setters to have a more similar ribbing and chest depth....yet Great Danes are always listed FIRST for a "bloating breed". I certainly don't find Basset Hounds or Blood Hounds or Goldens or Rottweiler's or St. Bernards, etc. to have similar chest and ribbing conformation either........ In other words....I personally do not 'buy into' the "deep chested" Breeds and breed types being one of the causes of bloat. I would seriously consider a weak and long messenteric root to be part of the problem though..... Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Chest, depth, gut & root...<G> Not true Carolyn, from Hunt Valley Animal Hsp. in MD (where they do a laporoscopic procedure) : A list of the most common breeds affected by GDV AKITA BASSET HOUND BERNESE MOUNTAIN DOG BLOODHOUND BORZOI BOXER BULLMASTIFF CHOW DOBERMAN PINSCHER GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG GOLDEN RETRIEVER GREAT DANE GREAT PYRENEES IRISH SETTER IRISH WOLFHOUND LABRADOR RETRIEVER NEWFOUNDLAND OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOG ROTTWEILER STANDARD POODLE ST. BERNARD WEIMARANER Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 1/2/2011 1:48:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I would consider an Irish Setter or any Setter to have ribbing more like our GSD....and they are never listed in "the group" =========================================================================== POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================