Papers, shmapers. It matters not to some BYB's. There are dozens of BYB's of GSD's out my way. More times than not they advertise of having "Champions" in the lines. Having gone skulking around pretending I am a buyer with no brains I can tell you there are indeed Ch's in the lines. Bitches and dogs were bought with papers and generations later....well you get the picture. If the companion pups sold are not up to the standard of the breed, why not early spay or neuter?? I know I know, I've heard all the arguments about bones not growing as they should etc. Or is it the money factor? Or both? Private rescues are so inundated that you'd be hard pressed to find a rescue that does NOT early spay and neuter. They, the SPCA's and shelters and pounds after all are the ones that deal with the flood of unwanted adults and puppies. Perhaps if the breeders of these dogs and puppies were to walk in the shoes of these organizations, they too would be for early spay/neuter. Out of curiosity, how many here do home checks? And for what reasons would you deny someone a dog/pup? Colleen Donnelly Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 1/17/2005 12:46:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > Bill, until breeders screen more carefully the people they sell dogs to, we > are going to have an neverending problem of well bred dogs going to breed > rescue. > > Absolutely true! Not only do we need to screen more carefully, but INSIST > on spay/neuter contracts. Withhold those papers until there is proof from the > vet. We all need to do everything we can to keep our dogs and their progeny > out of shelters. > Jamie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ The only way to understand & estimate the nature of the dog is to study his whole development. Such a task requires a sympathetic, dog-loving observer, who tries as far as possible to enter into the innermost mind of the dog, and who will know how to short-circuit all his purely human points of view. --Max von Stephanitz --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================