[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Changes?/ long
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:24:11 -0800
Jumping into this in the middle I would like to address a couple of comments by
both Diane and Sara
so it is long as I try to address both posts.
First....I assume "every single exhibitor" that Sara spoke to that was
disgusted with our German Shepherd
Dogs was exhibitors from other Breeds??
All I can say to that is that I cannot for the life of me get excited about an
English Bull Dog and most of it's
Breed Standard, nor the hips sticking up on a Saluki, nor the bulging eyes and
mouths that cannot
hold a full jaw of teeth on many Breeds either...... nor the drooling bibs on a
St. Bernard........<G>....
We are not responsible for holding ourselves accountable to other Breed
exhibitors....unless we become
involved in other Breeds and choose to follow THEIR Standard.
Second......I totally agree with Sara's statement about our German Shepherd
Dogs standing around the
ring with tails tucked and eyes darting and whining and worrying where their
owner is to "protect" THEM!!
Often some refer to them as a "mama's boy". WHAT???? SHAME ON US!!
Alert and concerned about where we are ( as we belong to them ) ....no problem.
Regarding the "hind thing".........I assume you mean too much rear angulation.
That's a tough one. Some
GSD's ARE more angulated than others......and definitely more angulated than
NECESSARY for good
powerful lever action in the rear. However...some LACK enough angulation to
propel the dog forward in
an efficient manner also.
Often times....just like anything else....a breeder/ exhibitor chooses between
too much angulation....or not
enough angulation ( neither is efficient ) ...and we are ALL thrilled when we
get that elusive PERFECTION!!!
* Lack of rear angulation can cause a dog to tire because it lacks the rear
drive to work and drive sheep
efficiently all day long with an efficient long stride. Watch them herd and
you will grasp this quickly!!
* Excessive rear angulation can cause a dog to tire simply because it has to
work to hard to keep that
over angulated rear functioning with a long stride all day long. Watch them
herd sheep and you will grasp
this quickly. <G>
Regarding the other post talking about "structual changes" in the GSD since the
60's........
I was around in the 60's........and I am really pleased with most of the
changes in our Breed since then.
We came into the Breed in the 60's and I still remember the long loins, short
croups and tails stuck on
that short croup like a 'plunger'....lots of ring tails and fiddle fronts....(
out at the elbows ) and missing teeth.
I don't think we can pick any particular year or era than many of us want to go
back to?
Were there exceptional dogs back then.........ABSOLUTELY!! We all remember
them. We watched
Yoncalla's Mike come into the ring when we were pure Novices.....had gone to a
couple of shows for
about a year.........and when he entered the ring we gasped!! Even as
newbies we could see the
difference!
But I can say now that I do think there are MORE overall quality animals than
there used to be even
though entries were much much larger then.
Definitely there are some shows where there are not.......but not often. (
some things never change )
The people.....well.....people never change. <G> At shows, NBA, Little
League, shopping...etc.
There are ALWAYS great people.........and always.......... "not so
much".........
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
From: Diane To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:22
AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L (no subject)
Barb, the example you gave about the difference in types between UKC and AKC
has more to do with a divergence in type between working dogs and conformation
dogs. In a lot of the sporting breeds, the field dogs almost look like a
different breed from their conformation counterparts. That's why it was
suggested that we have a working dog class at our National, to emphasize that
correct conformation makes it a lot easier for the working dog to perform its
task. The person making that suggestion got their head handed to them.
@Sara - breeders have made structural changes in the GSD. If you look at dogs
from the 1960's and today's dogs you can see that. As far as I can tell, there
has been no corresponding change to the standard, so I don't know how breeders
justified the structural changes. I guess the same standard that applied to the
earlier dogs applies now to today's dogs. But I know the earlier dogs would not
win in today's conformation ring. Sara, if you are physically
abl to show your own dog, learn as much as you can by watching the pro
handlers. The style of showing is different between the all breed and
speciality rings. Show your dog and have fun.
Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: Sara Minsk
I may add...
Every show I go to, EVERY single exhibitor I talk to is disgusted by the GSD.
EVERY single one of them regardless of what breed they have. It's hard for me
to listen too but I have a hard time defending the showring dog. It's not
normal for dogs to walk like that. I don't remember the GSD I loved as a kid
walking like that. It's disgusting.
Why do their legs hit the ground? They look so wobbly and weird.
I hear at our obedience class or at a nosework demonstration or while out for a
walk.
Why is it that EVERY dog person on the planet (except the specialty GSD
breeder) is so sad that the breed has been ruined? Why can't fellow GSD
breeders see it? In fact, at my last UKC show (I started there to get us ready
for AKC) the judge even commented to me on having a "normal" GSD and it was
"nice to see". :-(
It really breaks my heart.
Plus, I see GSDs at shows shaking, tail tucked, looking around frantically.
It's just not proper character.
Now, I don't mean to come on here and have my first posts be so negative. I am
trying to learn. So, please help
me understand .....
Does anyone know when the hind end thing started? I know it wasn't always like
this? Does it give a bigger gait
or something? Does anyone wish they could go back to breeding normal dogs but
maybe they think they won't
win in ring anymore?
Does anyone else feel our show ring atmosphere is intimidating to a new show
ring exhibitor?
Don't some of you wish people could show their own dogs without the antics?
I apologize again.
Sara Minsk
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