I agree, a car should never be compared to a GSD. My family owned Model A's, T-Birds, etc. will always love the Ford Vehicles. I do not believe all GSD's in the USA or any other country are perfect but do see faults of conformation that should not be there. Why so many GSD's now a poise in the grass, this was a trick used years ago with horses. Not pertaining to dog shows since they are in the grass if outside, but even photos at home they put the dog in tall grass. This is just a observation as it does hide feet and pasterns. The GSD I remember and have owned never needed their toenails trimmed since they wore them off as they had proper feet and pasterns. I am not in CA, so do not know and will not judge by a photo of a dog there. I do see them in other states MI, IN, OH, TN and feel these GSD's do not look comfortable to me. I know several horse breeders that believe the longer pasterns, cannon bone and sickle hock gives more extention than the average but not true. If an animal is balanced with correct conformation they will be a better mover and comfortable too. I see way to many lame horses and dogs out there showing. Do you not believe it is also what you get use to looking at that makes your judgement? I know people will never agree totally on everything just not human nature. Common ground is all we can hope for. Theresa --- On Sat, 2/2/13, ELG440@xxxxxxx <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: The Model A Ford Club of America has 30,000 members and a board of directors of six. That makes me think at times about our board of 19. I have served as their attorney for over ten years. Each week someone finds another Model A in a barn or garage somewhere in the world. The cars are restored and taken out now and then. But, they don't match a 1957 Thunderbird. On the other hand if you drive a 1957 Thunderbird, (and, if it is red, I envy you), it rattles, the passenger door will open on a sharp left hand turn, the headlights keep burning out, and if you get 10 miles to the gallon, you are having a good day. Time goes by no matter how much we want it not to. Our breed improves year after year. There always was that great dog in the past, but when we had classes of 20 and 30, only four or five were going to finish. When we had dog shows with entries of 70 or 80, each year about the same number of German shepherds finished as they do now. It is different. We who breed, do so to get better and better dogs. Sound in temperament, structure, and function is what we strive for in every breeding. We do so when we choose a stud dog, or a brood bitch; and to want to return to what the breed was fifty years ago, or even twenty is like driving a Model A Ford, or even a 1957 Thunderbird. It is fun, you get a lot of attention, you can be proud of the history, but give me a nice 2012 Honda if I am going to drive to the National in Philadelphia. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 2/2/13 7:56:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx writes: Wrong comparison the Ford Model T... September 1908 to October 1927 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T 1957 GV CH (US) V http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id%30 1957 collective great car... Ford Thunderbird... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================