It does seem to me as though Cesar is taking a vital message to a generally appallingly ignorant general public. He is impressing on us that TRAINING HELPS! TRAIN --DON'T COMPLAIN. I'm somewhat acquainted with just about every old or new training method around and, like his method, I don't always agree. Badly trained, half-baked "trainers" are camped out in just about every church, vet and mall parking lot in existence making a buck however they can. They're creating no end of problems--but perhaps they're doing SOMETHING and their problems just might not be as bad as those that coming from total ignorance and no training at all. I watch and read Cesar. Some things I like and some things I don't agree with at all. Much goes on that we don't see. What I sometimes see is a single session with a "red zone" dog which he then hands back to the owners. I'm sure there's much more to it than what is seen because that's rather like handing a loaded pistol to a two-year-old to play with. For those who want him off the air and think they can do better-- come on--have at it--I'm watching and waiting. Remember though that you must be prepared to deal with the great, all-knowing TV producer people. Marion ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================