In a message dated 8/20/2006 10:49:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, windwych@xxxxxxxxx writes: I have been on their list for awhile. These dogs are like having a 450 magnum sitting on your coffee table. They are bred to think for themselves and live on the Steppes guarding the flock. They are HUGE to boot...similar to a Leonberger. It amazes me why anyone is surprised when some idiot wanting a status symbol purchases a pup from a breed that is bred for a specific job, has 0 clue how to raise it and the dog turns on them. If you are not alpha with these breeds, you are out of luck when they hit the teenage "Im bigger than you" phase. Herding/working dogs are brilliant animals...bred to make decisions without the input of a human. Apparently, this dog did. So sad. Dawn Restuccia Dorothy, and no this aint Kansas --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. Before you lump all of these dogs into the same category as ".45 magnums" kind of like how people stereotype Rotties, Pits, etc...you should know that I own one of these dogs. I didn't purchase her for a "status" symbol, and you generalization of these animals is insulting and closed minded...this is how breed specific legislation gets started.....each individual, and each line is different, with different temperaments , just like GSDs or any other breed. The Ovcharkas indeed can think for themselves and considering they are bred to protect livestock and home, that is a good trait. Large , oh yes. Smart...as a whip. Would I recommend this breed to everyone, no....but then I wouldn't recommend a high drive GSD or a cowardly one to everyone either. Each breed comes with specific traits that need to be matched to an owner. Each breed small or large has to go to owners that you hope are at least as smart as the dog. I have seen atrocities committed by virtually every breed imaginable.....from giant to toy. I invite you to come and visit my Ovcharka, and others the rare few there are and educate yourself , rather than spewing rhetoric and rumor that you have heard somewhere...my guess would be on the show "Designer Dogs" I guarantee you will change your attitude about the breed. Don't be guilty as so many are that know NOTHING of a breed and have NO involvement in it , of making a blanket judgement. Kathy Tank Proud Ovcharka owner. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================