Let there be no doubt that in the years behind us, Carmen and Jimmy and others have done great deeds for the sake of our beloved breed. But past good deeds cannot erase recent mistakes that have hurt our breed club dearly. We will survive this time of trial. But not without change. Nothing will dimish what good works any of us has done in the past, but if in the present a person is no longer willing to continue to work for the good they once did, then they need to be removed from the posts they hold now that they are no longer using for the greater good. Since in the past several months Carmen has seen fit to use his positions to benifit himself and the AKC more than he has sought to benifit the GSDCA, then yes he should be removed from his posts that are intended to benifit the GSDCA. I take no joy in his current situation, but I also breath a sigh of relief that he can no longer abuse his position to benifit any other than the GSDCA. He was elected to represent all the members of this club. He has not been doing that recently. Carmen will be remembered as a pillar of the breed, a true hero for our dogs, but he will also be remembered for supporting Hunte inclusion in the club and for his support of a micro chip that is not compatable with current US technology, possibly causing dogs to not be reunited with their owners. There are always 2 sides to life, if not more. sheila JJogra@xxxxxxx wrote: Listen carefully. I am not about to go back and forth with anyone on this List on the merits or lack thereof of Carmen Battaglia. My position on the recent Hunte issue was made very clear with a letter sent by me as president of the GSDC Gr. Miami. Although I disagree totally with his decision, I am not about to neglect to recognize the effort he put in during a basic lifetime. Let go of your anger and resentment. There is no need to vilify anyone. It is thankless job and its easy to criticize. Joey In a message dated 3/13/2007 2:00:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ssthunderpony@xxxxxxxxx writes: Fine with me that he made 'mistakes' but when they affect my life and the breed I love ........ it is not fine !!!!! JJogra@xxxxxxx wrote: Amen. People have short memories. We have all made mistakes in our lives. Joey Perez-Gurri In a message dated 3/13/2007 1:11:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Falkrigia@xxxxxxx writes: .........all the things that this man did for the GSd, for dogs in general, for the GSDCA. .........how hard he fought against BSL and how much of the good legislation he actually drafted for municipalities over the years. .........how much he worked to get Working Dogs accepted by the AKC .........the efforts it took to push the idea of Back-to-back specialties through AKC .........his assistance in getting all-breed performance events approved at specialty shows so that GSD clubs could actually afford to offer obedience and rally. ........This is to mention just a few. I find it very sad that so many seem to be rejoicing in the downfall of a man who dedicated most of his life to this breed. He definitely messed up and for those who have wanted to 'get him' for years, the party's on I'm sure but the newcomers on the list who want to help kick this man while he's down..........if you do half as much for this breed and this club during your time in dogs, you'll eventually have an understanding of what a sad day this truly is in the history of our breed. It is NOT something to be rejoicing over. It is truly a sad, sad day to lose someone from a position of influence who did so much good for so long even though it may be by his own failings at this time. I think some dignity and reserve would be good things to use in handling this regardless of personal feelings. lynda Check out our websites for constantly updated info and pictures www.falkrigiashepherds.com www.thecraftywoodchuck.com --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================