In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:23:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: AND I PROMISE NOT TO MAKE FUN OF ANY NOSELESS PEOPLE I EVER MEET. [VBG] FRED Not me..... Nothing funnier than a noseless person... What really bothers me is that: Carmen screwed up.... He knew what he was doing was not right and he did it anyway. He also supported some issues that he KNEW that the majority of the GSDCA was opposed to. So I probably would not vote for him again to be a delegate. THAT is a personal issue. But what bothers me MORE than the fact that Carmen made a HUGE mistake is that many of us act like we have never done ANYTHING that was as bad or worse. In the scheme of things (things that I have done wrong) I am pretty sure that this mistake of Carmen's could and should be forgiven on a personal level. I am positive that I don't have any right to stone him.... have him whipped with a cat-of-nine-tails......or require payment by enslaving his first-born. But I am also positive that there are some on this list who DO feel that his mistake is worse than ANYTHING they have ever done. Carmen has never been a personal friend. I have never gone out of my way to have a conversation with him. By the same token, I am sure that my lack of initiative hasn't caused Carmen to lose one minute of sleep. BUT I would like for him to know..... that I still support him as a person..... that I would be VERY disappointed if he were no longer a member of the GSDCA and involved in the breed as a judge, exhibitor, breeder, and advocate for the breed.... and I would DEFINATELY go out of my way, if I saw him, to let him know those things. I would also let him know that I appreciate all he has done for the breed and it's supporters. As for Jim Moses' letter: I support Jim 100%.... because I know that he did write that letter as a loyal friend. I appreciate loyalty in friends. He did not say that there was nothing wrong with what Carmen did; he basically said to us that while Carmen did make a mistake, he (Jim) supported his friend and forgave him. The point he was making is that we should forgive him also because Carmen has served us well for MANY years. I agree. Gary Lewis Garter German Shepherd Dogs _Page 1_ (http://gartergermanshepherddogs.com/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================