On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Stormy Hope wrote: Sara, let me see if I can explain.. I know that everybody is trying to do it, but I get my chance, too <VBG> What in nature is perfect? Nothing, right? Well, there is no perfect dog, either (unless she in on my bed, of course). Sooo, the standard is that mythical "Perfect Dog." A judge in the AKC, UKC, FICA, whatever, ring takes that picture of "Perfection" that he or she has in the head and compares the dog in the ring to that picture. The one that comes closest is the one that gets the finger point. HOWVER... as there is no Perfect Dog, there is no Perfect Judge, either. So, we humans struggle along working at the picture in our heads, after looking at hundreds of dogs, real and in photos, measure the length of the dog, measure the angles, etc. ad infinitum, and somewhere along the way, we imperfect humans look at our dog/dogs and test our picture against numerous judges. Sometimes we are right for ONE judge and not right for ANOTHER judge. Remember, we haven't found the perfect judge for our perfect dog <VBG> It isn't "interpretation" for different venues, but what us imperfect humans interpret the standard. Storm On Dec 9, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Sara Minsk wrote: > So, a german shepherd is "pet quality" if it can't finish in the AKC > ring? That means it is not breed standard, correct? I am just > trying to clarify for myself...... > > Thus, it would seem, the show ring, and only the show ring, is what > determines correct breed standard? Is this correct? > > Is the show ring ever wrong? Has the show ring ever selected for > things that are not necessary to correct breed standard? I am just > wondering. > > It seems that any standard is subject to interpretation and how that > interpretation is utilized would determine the type of animal that > would result. But, please correct me, constructively, if I am > incorrect. > > Sara > On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Penny & Bill wrote: > >> Oh boy, here we go again. But since you asked, here is MY reply. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================