When 50% of the entire canine population is affected regardless of breed, I think any scientist would agree that environmental causes are the most likely factor . I didn't say genetics don't play a roll in canine deaths at all. If I had to guess about the percentages of canine deaths due to GI issues, it would be somewhere between 5-10% M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny & Bill" <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "The List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2010 4:21:53 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Cancer in dogs, plus bloat and torsion Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Cancer In Dogs Accoding to the UC/Davis bood of dogs, "One in four dogs will develop cancer in their lifetime, and that almost one-half of dogs over the age of 10 years will die from cancer" That's a bit sobering, and I would say you probably could rule out genetics. M ***************************************************************************************************************** Why would anyone rule out genetics? I think environment plays an important part and over-vaccinating yields compromised immune systems (especially in older dogs.) Cancer kills people and it's killing our dogs. BUT, no one will be able to convince me that genetics doesn't play an important part in canine deaths. I lost Brando (6) to mesenteric torsion in June and Jeddie (5) to bloat in June of 2009. I look at their pedigrees and I KNOW some of the carriers for these diseases. I wish that Barb Williams still belonged to the List. She's been keeping data on "familial canine deaths" for years. My Ketchy bloated at 14 and a half. Yeah, yeah, I know, it was "old age" bloat--sarcasm intended. But her daughter our CH Kid, bloated at 14 and a half also--coincidental? Naw. I strongly believe that genetics coupled with vaccines and the environment combine to shape a dog's future. LOOK AT YOUR PEDIGREES. Penny in NC ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================