[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: COATS again..eh?
- From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
- To: <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:31:59 -0700
I can only hope the integrity of the quality of our normal coats never takes us
to that point....... <G>
Carolyn marhaven@jps,net
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:37
AMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: COATS again..
To not give a coat the points if it is superior in every other aspect to it's
competition would be
wrong because it would not be judging by the standard, which clearly does
not consider it a
serious fault no matter how glaring it may be ; ) JMO!
Melissa...who has no plans to own or show a coat! <g>
www.melanashepherds.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
> We all have coats that we just LOVE occasionally......but we also have to
admit that most of the \general public asks "what breed it is"......it is just
such an obvious fault.
> Once you've owned one in the Country ( i.e. dirt, stickers, fox tails, >
etc. ) you have to admit
> to the reason they are considered a fault.
> Too much to deal with for a blind person.....too much to deal with on a
real Country working
> dog and in wet country......certainly a fault that can be spotted clear
across the show sites.
> Many chose to incorporate them into a breeding program......but hopefully
the quality of the
> dogs being shown will always be such that we can easily afford to NOT give
a coat the points.
> <G>
> We don't keep them for breeding either......but am certainly NEVER adverse
to breeding one
either if someone else does. <G>>
Just finished two Champions out of a coated bitch and she helped prove that
BOOKER did
> not carry the factor....and she is one of my favorites....but we
personally have never kept
> a coat. BUT, we also live in the Country......and foxtails are a BIG
factor for us.....and we swim
> our dogs in the river a lot and the coats never get dry with the softer
texture. Three or four
> shakes and the correct coat is almost dry. The correct coarser coat just
works better for us.
>
> Carolyn marhaven@jps,net
> www.Marhaven.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
> BonJenShepherds@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:16 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: COATS
>
>
> I don't understand the desire to finish a coat. As it is, there is
> nothing to prevent anyone from showing a coat, just as anyone can
> show a dog with a missing tooth or two. These things are faults, not
> DQs. How much weight a judge assigns to the fault is up to the
> judge...and if most judges penalize either of those faults enough,
> the dogs won't finish. Granted, more dogs with missing teeth will
> finish than dogs with coats...but still, there is nothing to prevent
> anyone from showing a coated dog.
>
> I have to ask, tho --why would you want to finish a coat anyway?
> This is a fault you can't hide...AND if it's a true coat, it is more
> than a cosmetic thing...most coats are soft and some are soft and
> pily. Coats like this are a PITA to working dogs who have to be out
> in any weather. There is a reason why we have faults in
> Standards...most have to do with the dog's usefulness. With coats,
> it isn't a question solely of length...it's texture and depth...and a
> soft coat is a big disadvantage to a working dog. Now, if you want a
> pet dog class, that's a different thing...and then you'll probably
> still have to describe the coat, and allow length but not soft
> texture and/or deep pile.
>
> There are enough dogs around with faults that I don't see why we'd
> want to encourage showing more of them.
>
> Peggy
>
> > In a message dated 10/11/2007 2:05:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > Long coats are not disallowed in the breed ring. Unless the GSD
> Standard
> > changed while I was sleeping. Long coats are not a disqualifying
> fault.
> >
> > I have seen judges place coated dogs
> > Right, they are "allowed" in the since that they won't be kicked out
> & you
> > can use them to build points for someone else to win. It's just minor
> fault
> > but because of it so obvious a fault its causing these long coats to
> be
> > placed as pets when they could offer the breed so much. It's hard
> enough these
> > days to finish a reg. coated GSD much less one with a fault that is so
> plain to
> > see, no matter how minor it is considered on paper.
> >
> >
> > <<<I don't recall the show, the judge, or the animal, as it was years
> ago,
> > but
> > I have seen judges place long coats. And I am not speaking of one
> isolated
> > incident>>>
> >
> >
> > Who is going to drag a long coat around the country (and pay handlers)
> with
> > the hopes that it might PLACE someday (if the stars are aligned & all
> is
> > right with the world<vbg>)? Do any of you guys out there remember
> seeing long
> > coats finish from the specialty ring? If they had their own classes
> within our
> > breed they could finish, not just occasionally maybe place under the
> right
> > judge someday (if there isn't something better there).
> >
> >
> > Bonnie Jenkins
> > BonJen Shepherds
> > _www.BonJen.com_ (http://www.BonJen.com)
> >
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