Hi all I just wanted to say this is great to see all of you wonderful breeders and confirmation people having a great possitive conversation about the wonderful coats!...I was on a different group that just slammed them all the time...Any way it is great to see so many of you love them as I do. Thanks Deb Deb and her Boys Victory's Bullseye,TT.,CGC.,CD,ASCACD. Victory's Dubh Mac Tire, CGC(Wolf) 01/23/05-03/28/2007,lost to PAA/EPI ----- Original Message ---- From: "DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx" <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx> To: BonJenShepherds@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:40:01 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: COATS In a message dated 10/10/2007 10:47:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BonJenShepherds@xxxxxxx writes: What would be so wrong with being able to show them within our breeds conformation ring (not as a separate breed)? I don't understand how this would necessarily result in additional dogs being born either. The only thing that would change is that the coats could be part of the shows without exhibitors having to trim them & in turn braking the AKC rules (that is what's happening now). There is nothing wrong with showing them. You can show them, granted it is harder but I think judges should rethink just how hard they fault the coat, it is simply a fault. And people should be able to look closer at their coats and understand that although they may be beautiful they are not always better then a correct coated animal and the coat is a fault. I have had several lovely coats over the years and have shown them a bit. They generally placed and with one exception I feel the animals that beat them were extremely lovely animals, so was mine but with a fault of coat.... I personally think that if we made this a separate division or class, still they would have difficulty beating their normal coated counter parts unless we said it was not a fault, and then you would have people specifically breeding this to compete? Maybe not but that is a strong possibility.....I love coats, no doubt I have one now and she is beatiful and over 1/2 to her ROM, so please don't think this has to do with anything other than, this is a fault, and there is a reason for it, the coat takes much more care than a normal coated shepherd. It picks up a lot of stuff in coat when you are in an area of say, fox tails or tall grasses, mud etc.... it is simply not as functional..... Pretty but not as functional most of the time. JMHO Deb ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================