That kind of cheap champion isn't an insult. The term is meant to be insulting...and the dogs I've seen it applied to are the ones who got their titles by beating pets and dogs from their own kennel......fillers all, or at least most. In this instance the word cheap has nothing to do with cost...it has to do with value. By the same token, a group of people getting together and ensuring that there will be a major at a show, be it an all breed show or a specialty show, is not the same as one breeder calling all his or her pet owners and asking them to enter a show so the breeder's "good" prospect can win.......sometimes the breeder will even pay the entry fees for these dogs. Again, cheap doesn't denote inexpensive........it denotes quality of the dogs beaten on the way to the title. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Martello First I would like to know how you reach the point of "knowing" your dog will win?? A gift I've never had............... <G> Usually we go to a show thinking we have the TYPE of dog that at least ONE of the Judges will like...........but you never know what the competition will be. ANY dog can be beat..... If it is close and the best chance coming up for your dog.....enter the pups and give them the experience also. If it's hundreds and hundreds of miles away....we would stay home and let someone else get the major... if it does hold. But that's just us. I can't remember a show where every single dog entered was there.....? I'm not sure what this thread is about ......but I see the term "CHEAP CHAMPION" on the bottom post. Most of ours are CHEAP CHAMPIONS.....<G> To me a "cheap champion" is a dog that finished in 4 to 6 weekends with all majors. Less time and money spent in weekends gone, driving, motels, handler fees and gas on our nice CHEAP CHAMPION. That being said........MANY Clubs work at building majors to make sure that people will enter because IF they develop a reputation for NOT being majors...... then people quit bothering to enter over time, as it is "expected" to NOT be a major....... and the Clubs end up folding!! Therefore....some members generously enter dogs that they might not to help 'build' majors. Keeps the Club solvent and offers majors for exhibitors coming in. It still isn't cheap...... <G> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================