We went into a certain area last year and my dogs looked like a different breed.. We didn't win, but I blame the judges also, because there are so many out there that are clueless and could care less about being educated in the breed. Sometimes , for kicks at all breeds, I politely ask the judge what they didn't like about my dog. The last one I asked said my bitch got outmoved by the three ahead of her. She could have said she was a little long, could have been prettier in type, but movement, not in this lifetime. <G> Ann Home of Sel Ex # 6 Ch Maxwell, Sel Ex Ch Gilley and #1 Dam Muggles - owner/breeder of 69 champions and 19 ROMs --- On Sat, 12/6/08, terraf <Terraf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: terraf <Terraf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Building Majors To: melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 10:55 AM Oh...this has gone on for years in the Missouri area and judges fall for it and award points to the less quality dogs. A while back there was a judge who did not give out the blue ribbons because of lack of quality all around. That judge was tarred and feathered by the masses and I don't think I heard one person on the list say.."hey the quality was just down right poor". You can count on certain areas to not have the depth of quality that one would see almost everywhere else. This is due to handlers and their "mafia status" in that area. And judges fall for it and award points and ribbons anyway. It is up to the judges to control that not the ones entering the shows. So if there are cheap Champions, blame the judges! Terra Fairburn & Nanc Kinley Keggi Fair German Shepherds www.keggifair.com (UPDATED) members of the GSDC of Quad Cities & GSDCA www.gsdcqc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gailbauman1@xxxxxxx> Cc: <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Building Majors > Entering poor quality dogs so that a good dog might get a major is another > way of making a CHEAP CHAMPION -- what good is a title if it is obtained > by > beating pets? > And besides...aren't you putting a lot of faith in the judge, to know > which one of the dogs is the right one? > What a silly idea...... > Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa" <melanagsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Building Majors > Gosh, I certainly hope it's not silly to have faith in the judge to choose > the right dog??? And since the dog should be judged against the > standard, > not the competition, the quality of the competition should be irrelevant > as > the winner is still the closest to the standard according to that judge's > opinion. As was dicussed recently, if none deserve the points (even > majors) > they can withhold. > > Melissa >> >> > > =========================================================================== ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================