ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON Michel!! None of the conformation people are great about helping in the Obedience ring during the show .......so our Club will likely pay some people to help with Obedience for our next shows, as the entry is that important to our finances with the Club opening it up to all other Breeds. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michel To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:48 PMSubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Build it and they will come, But they won't build it Evan, you should come once in a while to the Grand Canyon GSD shows. Performance and conformation people work together to get all the rings setup and taken down. Granted there are more conformation people than performance people, but the few who are there really help. Furthermore, for the past 5 years we have offered All Breed performance trials and that has more than paid for all the expenses of the shows. The clubs who do not offer All Breed performance stand to go in the hole, financially. I strongly urge all clubs to "think outside the box" and entertain All Breed performance, even if you don't have any GSD owners in the club who will enter, think of the financial aspects of it. While many conformation entries will travel far to come to a show, 99% of all performance entries come from locals. Making contact with the local obedience/rally clubs and other organizations who hold such classes will go a long way in getting a lot of entries in your All Breed performance trials. This is especially important now that the AKC has opened the door for non-pure-bred dogs to compete, increasing the potential number of entries. Again, think of the financials... On a side note, since I post results on the GSDCA site, it is always a struggle to get the full results of performance trials that are held at GSDC specialties. So when you do hold performance trials please make sure you send in the full set of results. Regards, Michel Ebertin -----Original Message-----dan-ann@xxxxxxxx writes: I am quite sure the Review would be happy to take performance ads all year long - send them in This has been a problem for years. We used to put on obedience at our shows. We would have 70 conformation people and five entries in obedience.If we opened it to all-breeds we got a bigger entry, but had few people willing to work the obedience rings. We have always brought the performance winners to the conformation ring to show who won, but performance neverasked who went BOB or seemed to care. It has always been one sided. I can appreciate performance, and the hard work, dedication and enjoyment is tremendous. But, it is never the obedience people who ask to set up the obedience ring, who bring an announcer or who offer to bring the food or cook the hot dogs. I don't have the answer. I know performance seems to be growing in popularity, but it doesn't seem to bring in club members. I sure would like to find out who is going to support the clubs, other than conformation. So far, they seem to be all the workers. The advertisers in the Review are conformation, and the obedience people only advertise in the one month it is dedicated to them. Each year I attend the San Gabriel Show, and they always have a good obedience entry. But, when I look, it is the conformation people who bring the trailor, setting up the rings, getting the judges there, and cleaning up afterwards. Perhaps I am just missing something, (which is normal for me), but do obedience people work at clubs outside of California? Evan Ginsburg ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================