Weren't Westies once Cairn Terriers? The Norwich breed was split. Lots of breeds came from mixtures of older breeds or by taking a "flaw" in a breed and create a new breed. Ruth ________________________________ From: pmick12 <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; kmc@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Stormy435@xxxxxxx Cc: wdlnd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ShowGSD04 Showgsd-l List <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 8:48:21 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeds Most breeds that exist today were developed for a purpose...be that as a water retriever, all-purpose hunting companion, guardian (of home and/or flock), herding assistant, perimeter keeper, all around farm dog, vermin killer (sometimes with specific vermin in mind), or just as little companions to attract the fleas away from the humans, or to keep us warm...acting as living hot water bottles. Some may have been the result of an accident, or a "sport," but when that happened, people tried to get them to breed so that they'd be recognizable as what they were supposed to be...a new breed. Most of the designer breeds of today were bred just for the hell of it...with the possible exception of some of the "doodles," which were supposed to be non-shedding. They aren't...not even in the majority. Also, they don't resemble one another very much within those so called "breeds," and heaven knows, Labradoodles have been around a long enough time to have more similarity than they do. Years ago I knew someone who was trying to make a new breed out of crossing Irish Setters with Golden Retrievers....she went out of my radar and to this day I have never heard that idea from anyone else. F1 generations may be dissimilar...but after 20 years or so, some progress should have been made. When a new breed is developed, some guidelines (a standard) have to be drawn up...and over time, some changes may be made. Still, turning a DQ into a new breed sounds pretty stupid to me, too. Someone may call it a "rare" auality, but it isn't...it's just something that isn't allowed. Many of us would prefer that the minimum IQ required of dog show exhibitors be at least 130 ... but that ain't gonna happen, either. If a bunch of dogs with the same DQ find favor with people who want to make those dogs into a new breed, what do you REALLY think about it? I wrote a couple of weeks ago that then we should make coated GSDs into a new breed, too. Not long ago, right here on this list, there was a bit of hell raised about some guy on the left coast who was advertising his oversize Shepherds as a new, special breed....as I recall, nobody thought much of that and wanted to drum the fellow off the planet. Same with those panda dogs. But white is now going to be OK? Ridiculous. Peggy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================