[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding--Dallas, Bailey, etc.

From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, gsdramey@xxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
I agree to some extent.  Until there is some genetic test....it's still just 
speculation...so people can gossip about any dog all they want, but it doesn't 
mean didley unless a genetic link is found.   Now that doesn't mean that I will 
rush out and breed to a dog that has had several progeny die young, especially 
if the bitch of the progeny has a similar pedigree to mine, but that is just 
about making educated choices.  Just because a breeding may not be right for my 
bitch doesn't mean it won't be right for someone else's.  
 
My favorite (not) comment is when people say, oh don't breed to that dog, he 
produces bloat (or whatever) because they've "heard" of some of his offspring 
dying from it, but they can't answer you when you ask what the bitch produces 
or even what is in her pedigree. 
 
What causes bloat?  Well I'm sure it's genetics, but no not a bloat gene...just 
a flaw in the make up of the digestive tract.  This flaw may or may not cause 
problems.  I do think kennel dogs are more prone to it with all the running 
back and forth in the kennel.  Alot of energy but no where to go; though I 
don't have to be told that plenty of house dogs die from it too.
 
Knock on wood, but I haven't had a dog die of bloat either....of course it 
hasn't been 40 years yet. :o)

Cindy 
www.cinosamgsd.com

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Norma Ramey <gsdramey@xxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Norma Ramey <gsdramey@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding--Dallas, Bailey, etc.
To: lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 11:21 AM


I'd like to clear something up with your question below concerning "a dog 
producing bloat when bred to a certain line"!  Please know and understand
there is NO PROOF whatsoever that bloat is in any line!!!  I've studied this 
and seriously have, in my more than 40 years of breeding, NEVER had
ONE case of bloat or torsion.  Recently, I happily, saw that there IS proof 
pretty much from research on this ailment that it is caused by other means.
Also, as mentioned, even in horses, and I've done them as well, I feel that 
only because a "stud" is able to produce more progeny than a "dam" most
faults and/or good things are blamed/given credit to HIM.  Try to remember 
the dams as their input is vital to any offspring.  Most of us old timers do
know what did and/or did not come from Lance and/or "GV Ch. Kismet's Sight 
for Sore Eyes - ROM etc. etc.  a fine dog.  Oh, those same folks
produced many really splendid dogs, like BANKER for instance!!  The Fords 
did the same in giving us not only LANCE but other goodies also in
the bitch dept.   To categorize these things as you seem to feel is 
possible, to me isn't possible at all.    JMHO    Norma the not norma L 
person
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laura Havis" <lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:00 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Breeding--Dallas, Bailey, etc.


What is the purpose of suggesting that a stud dog is impacting our breed in 
a positive/negative way, without indicating what the pro's/con's are.  It 
appears that someone will mention that a GV/Popular Stud Dog  is causing 
harm, or helping  our breed, but the "poster" leaves us guessing as to how. 
Why name the popular stud dog, Dallas/Lance, yet leave us guessing about who 
the GV is that's impacting our breed in a negative manner.  If your willing 
to make the suggestion, give us the specifics.
I want to know that a given dog is producing bloat when bred to a certain 
line.  I want a better shoulder.  ETC.
Sincerely,   Laura Havis

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