guess what...a black and a Bi-color can NOT produce a black and tan either....lol...FB --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Cynthia VanDenBerge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Cynthia VanDenBerge <vande001@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding two BLACK GSDs To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 9:54 AM I think that sometimes people will call a very dark Bi a solid black, when it isn't. Maybe that is why some will insist that they had 2 blacks produce a blk and tan? Cynthia --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Amy Greenhut <genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeding two BLACK GSDs To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:43 AM Ed......the bottom line is a black bred to a black can only produce blacks. I breed blacks. It is just that simple. There really is no need for any huge explanation. It is probably the easiest color gene combination to explain. Try explained to a person just getting into breeding how two sables can produce a whole litter of black and tans. We know why......because sable is dominant but it is it an interesting subject anyway. I find it interesting that a solid white dog can produce solid blacks. In my opinion a white dog should only be bred to another white dog but people do breed them to other colors and get B/T, sables and even blacks. That is another reason that people need to research pedigrees so they do not end up with something that they do need expect or want. Amy Greenhut Justrock German Shepherds Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises & Tortoise Rescue Behold The Turtle, He Makes Progress Only When He Sticks His Neck Out A Quote By James B. Conant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:29:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Breeding two BLACK GSDs ....... I received two more private e-mails from folks believing that a black sire and a black dam can produce a black and tan puppy...I invited both folks to call me on the phone to discuss the matter, so far neither have done so....so I will explain it here publicly...each parent contributes one of two genes to all of its offspring.....since the color black is recessive a black dog must have two black genes for coat color, receiving one from each parent....the only gene this black dog can pass to all of its offspring is a black gene...so if bred to another black dog, all genes passed from that dog are only black genes....I can explain this much better on the phone...Ed Hill ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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