I am sure that my experience with my own "Traci" 5 years ago is one of the examples Terry sited. I spayed her and placed her in a pet home. In other instances where a bitch has done this, the owners have euthanized the bitch. Traci was a Delta Society Therapy Dog, had her GSDCA TC, her HIC, working on her CD, 3 years old, loved all the neighborhood kids, loved Nursing home visits, the absolute best temperament in the world, yet she showed no interest in her puppies as they were being born, just pooped them out on the ground and let my daughter and I take care of them. There were 8 total. We managed to keep her in the litter box to nurse them three times over about 6 hours after she completed whelping. The third time they nursed she let them without us making her stay in a down and we thought we were home free. We had been up all night and my daughter had worked all day before so she went home to catch a nap and I left the kitchen for 10 minutes to go to the bathroom and when I went back to the kitchen it was a slaughter house. All 8 of the babies dead, most eviscerated, some with head injuries. Traci sat at the kitchen gate wagging her tail at me. She didn't have a clue that these were her babies that she should be taking care of, they were simply bothersome parasites that she needed to dispose of in her mind. This had never happened to me in my 10 years of breeding in the 1970s and I had heard of a couple of other cases one where the bitch was immediately euthanized by her upset and disgusted owners and one where the bitch's life was saved because Scootie persuaded the owners to save a good temperamented bitch, spay her and place her. It was a big loss to take this bitch out of the breeding program as she had a great pedigree and was from the last litter of her great sire. I would never breed a bitch a second time who did this. I know she may have come to her new owners under circumstances that were not ideal, however, her instinct should have been to care for her babies first. Just my opinion, Betty Johnson Tintagel ************** The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================