well thank You!! I'll be checking out your next Danni litter....LOL but seriously, I think that many times the problem is some people have microwave mentality, they want things NOW.....and yes, sometimes the breeders are cautious due to bad experiences.... it goes back to communication, commitment and trust....... * Ileana * Inquest GSD's, Home of : Sel AM CH & CAN CH Karizma's Cacique of Inquest aka DEXTER AM CH Kaleef's Allyson V Kenlyn aka ALLYSON Kaleef's Expensive Date (major pointed) aka JACKIE Inquest Huckleberry Fun - That Hot Black Dog aka HUCKS and Bunny, aka Her Majesty, aka THE BOSS In a message dated 7/9/2010 9:37:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx writes: Hey, Illeana! I would probably give you a good one! But, that is because I KNOW you would show and breed him/her properly. Would I SELL the same dog to a newbie? NOT ON YOUR LIFE FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY! Just being honest. I have been in the boat of not being able to buy a good dog from top breeders and spinning my wheels with so-so dogs for years, so I sympathize with those newbies who are struggling with this! And I did, finally, have to breed my own! If it hadn't been for Bob Eaton selling me a decent brood bitch, I might still be spinning my wheels. But, now I see things from the other side. Newbies have to understand that there may only be one or two top show prospects in a litter. Breeders want to either keep those or put them with people who have a record of finishing the dogs they buy. This is both expensive and time consuming. Too many newbies give up. Then, that top show prospect winds up not being shown and getting bred to Rex down the street. I know it is a bit of a vicious cycle, but it is a difficult issue for all involved. I had to stick around long enough for people to take me seriously, and that is just the way it is most of the time. Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein _www.riverrockshepherds.com_ (http://www.riverrockshepherds.com/) Home of: Ch. RiverRock's Hotel California (Callie), RiverRock's Straight From The Heart (Sera), RiverRock's Karlotta v. Kenlyn (Karla), and RiverRock's Heart of the Matter (Luke) ____________________________________ From: "InquestGSD@xxxxxxx" <InquestGSD@xxxxxxx> To: denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 7:48:19 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Breeders do sell their good ones In a message dated 7/8/2010 10:44:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _denwil2007@xxxxxxxxxx (mailto:denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx) writes: 3. If you want a good one, breed it yourself. In all these years I have never felt that I couldn't get a good dog from a breeder. My experience has been that once the breeder got to know me, and understood what I wanted, and what a good life their dogs would have in my house, I could get any dog I wanted. I have had TOP breeders offer me TOP dogs, that unfortunately I couldn't take as I had no room for them. I still think of myself as a newbie, but a newbie that knows she wants and wont settle for less. Sometimes you have to wait. I firmly believe breeders will sell you, and sometimes even GIVE you, a good one. That has been my experience. Best of luck! * Ileana * Inquest GSD's, Home of : Sel AM CH & CAN CH Karizma's Cacique of Inquest aka DEXTER AM CH Kaleef's Allyson V Kenlyn aka ALLYSON Kaleef's Expensive Date (major pointed) aka JACKIE Inquest Huckleberry Fun - That Hot Black Dog aka HUCKS and Bunny, aka Her Majesty, aka THE BOSS ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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