Just a comment on 2 litters - A GV to a GVX who both came from a long line of top producers. Breeding the two (Guido and Bungee) twice is not a shot in the dark for winners TWICE<LOL>. BTW - another bitch from the first breeding was a futurity winner and a bitch from the second breeding was a major pointed bitch before she went to the whelping box... BOY WHAT A SITE AT THE OREGON NATIONALS FOR THE STUD DOG /BROOD BITCH CLASS!!! Cassie and I were honored to be right behind her Mama. Alycia ----- Original Message ----- From: cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: frontiergsd@xxxxxxx ; ParavelGS@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showlist Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeder's Advice Alycia <Alycia Partei> Writes: Actually - she was talking about the huge winner from no where and repeating THAT breeding - or so I thought. Alycia's correct. In the article, McDowell, mentioned a certain dog as an example... In the early 1950's, there was a Boxer who was virtually undefeated in his breed from the moment he stepped into the show ring. His name was Ch. Bang Away of Sirrah Crest. This dog won 121 Bests in Shows and was defeated only 3 times. The breeders, thinking they had a gold mine, repeated the breeding six times and never once came close to producing another animal of this quality. Ch. Bang Away of Sirrah Crest did have a finished litter brother, Ch. Break Away of Sirrah Crest, but I know nothing about this dog's show record. Paulette McGuirt Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: Alycia Partei To: ParavelGS@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showlist Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 9:59 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeder's Advice Actually - she was talking about the huge winner from no where and repeating THAT breeding - or so I thought. And BTW Elmo was from the first breeding which also produced a FVX and Sel Ch. Castlehill's 'Cuz I Can v Frontier OFA (my Cassie;) who finished with all 5 pt majors on futurity weekends - as the PET in the litter <LOL>. GV Rocky and GVX Cookie were from the repeat - not too shabby<LOL> Alycia ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================