I can tell you from travelling in Germany and Holland that we saw NO loose animals anywhere. No dogs and no cats. When I asked in Holland I was told that there was a problem with feral cats [didn't see a single one] but no stray dogs. I know in Belgium that spay/neuter for anything other than a medical reason is almost totally unheard of and considered cruelty. "If you can't control your pet's breeding without surgery you don't need a pet!" Most that I've talked with consider Americans totally irresponsible with their animals for untrained and unrestrained animals. Having worked in the 'industry' for 18 years I know that less than ten percent [10%] of all animals euthanized are purebreds. Most of those are due to health or behavorial issues - either biting or house soiling. IN THE ATLANTA AREA, yYoung, healthy, purebreds are snapped up by the rescues in our area and hugh adoption fees are attached. Where our county fee was less than $80.00 for a fully vetted, vaccinated, HW negative, and altered animal most of the area rescues will take that same animal [that we've already done all the work on OH, and wanted it at a discounted price] and will charge adoption fees of anywhere from two to five hundred dollars. Then they list it on pet finders that they've SAVED this poor animal from euthanasia after we'd already spent all that money getting them ready for adoption. The majority of animals euthanized are feral cats [over 50%] and mixed breed dogs - not F1 crosses but free ranging mixed breeds. Those animals [dogs] usually come form low income areas or areas of feral cat colonies that have exploded and caused multiple complaints form area residents. This is where the problem lies - not in responsible pet owners or even BYBs OR puppy mills [although those 10% purebreds usually come from the mills]. If we could come up with a solution to alter free roaming animals - put out bait [oral alter meds] to stop the ferals and free roaming from reproducing our problem would be solved in ONE generation. Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of BIS/BISS Ch Yancy HIC HT PT RA CD TC CGC BH, Helios, Ch Flair, Tess [150 PLUS ROM points/40 ATAA points], Lil' Miss Gilli RN[Mjr Res Winner] and all the others waiting at the bridge. Website updated 06/07 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: lollark@xxxxxxx > Does anyone know if dogs are given up to shelters or abandoned in Europe to > the > same degree they are here in the U.S.? How about Canada--is it a problem > there? > Karen Lollar > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================