[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Bracket Formula & genes
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- To: "'showgsd-l: freelists.org'" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "" <vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:21:12 +0000 (UTC)
And that's why Your credibility is among the highest of any in our breed! Ed
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From: Carolyn Martello
To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx, freelist, vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: July 23, 2014 at 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Bracket Formula &genes
What I should have said....is that it is possible the purebred dog that is
more likely to be taken to the Vet....so possibly it "appears" to have more
"negative" genes.
Never sure if my fingers can't keep up with my brain...or my brain can't
keep up with ANYTHING. It just doesn't come out right sometimes....<G>
All I know is that like Lloyd Brackett I prefer close linebreeding to
outcrossing.....and mix breeds. <G>
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
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From: On Behalf Of edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:52 PM
To: ' Carolyn Martello
Subject: Re: Bracket Formula
The discussion of mixed breeds did not come up and my post is hearsay
statingwhat I believe she said approximately 4 months ago .....and she was
not making a value judgement about inbreeding vs out- cross. she was just
giving us what she believed the science showed....If I remember correctly
shesaid all pure bred dog breeding is " in breeding" and remember she IS a
breeder! One of Her main points was genetic diversity is not our enemy. And
remember I have NO credibility in the subject of breeding conformation GSDs.
I'm just reporting what I heard. She also said it is healthier to breed a
bitch three times in a row than to breed once a year. She was not suggesting
we go out and do it for reasons of finding good homes and over population
etcetc.... She was just giving us the science. She said many things that
many on this list would not agree with but like I said the symposium was
outstanding I hope they do it next year Ed
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From: Carolyn Martello
To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx, freelist, vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: July 23, 2014 at 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Bracket Formula
SOOOOooooooo that Vet says 'Pure Bred' dogs have "negative genes".....but
mix breeds do not??? How can that be??
Pure bred dogs CAME from ...just, all kind of dogs?
Do these Vets ever consider that the "pure bred" dog breeder and owner may
just be more likely to bring their dog to the Vet than many owners of the
mix
breeds that fill back yards all over the Country?
Possibly they should start showing more concern and respect for the
"purebred dog"breeder and owner. They DO help fill their tills.........<G>
SOOOooooooo IF the inbreeding and or linebreeding is done on a specific dog
that does not carry any horrible genetic problems....is that actually worse
than
outcrossing to four different lines or studs or bitches that DO produce
horrible
genetic problems?
Just curious......
...but not sure I know my own name either without a name tag any more....<G>
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
] On Behalf Of edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:53 AM
To: freelists.org; vicisheps@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Bracket Formula
First of all I have no credibility regarding breeding conformation German
Shepherds. But I've been breeding animals ..... Pigeons rabbits chickens and
protection and show dogs for 45 years! If have no credibility breeding show
dogs because I have never bred anything worthwhile and there's a pretty
goodchance I never will. I attended a dog breeding symposium last Feb at UC
Davis. The information I learned at the symposium was priceless. One of the
lecturing Vets breeds some type do Duck Trolling dog ( forgot the real name)
It was her belief that all pure bred dogs have negative genes , she gave her
reasons for that belief. She also stated that breeding to the popular stud
dog is the one of the quickest ways of limiting the overall gene pool of a
breed and therefore increasing the risk of health issues The vet was the
highlife of the day. Wish I could remember her name. In a few years I
won't remember my name. FB
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From: Michelle Graham
To: freelist
Sent: July 23, 2014 at 8:18 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Bracket Formula
HI...OK I am thinking about doing a breeding based on Bracket
Formula...however it would be going twice the 2/3 formula...both on
bitch side and on sires...is that too close &/or would I be defeating
the purpose of doing it in the first place...just curious if anyone had
done it before and would do it again.
Thanks
Michelle
RBIF CH Vici's Wind Walker, CH Vici's Windsong, Am/Can CH Vici's Abilene
V ShadowValley, Vici's Wild As The Wind, ROM, B/Co-owner Vici's Heavenly
Expectations, TC-#1 2008 M/F Bitch
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