I had a Boxer bitch have a C section once. 5 puppies. I told the vet to keep digging I just knew there were at least 2 more.. He said , nope, every thing in out the table. Three days later the bitch was still nesting, very restless and not taking care of her puppies. I took her back. He said, she feels a little swollen yet but that is normal. I said Xray. He said not necessary. I said I'm paying for it. Xray. Guess what? 2 one pound puppies left.(still alive) So he had to open her up again. I said spay her , I don't want to go through this again. Five days past and she was dropping blood . Like a cup at a time. he said bleeding is normal. I said . I KNOW WHAT NORMAL BLEEDING IS. This is not normal. Her blood count was so low he had to open her up again. He hadn't tied off the uterine stump well enough and she was trying to grow a new uterus. So I had the only bitch probably in the world that went through 2 C sections and 2 Spays in less than two weeks. I made him take the puppies home to tube feed until they could eat on their own. Oh! and No I didn't pay the bill. He was new at my clinic and we all had a sit down and my old vet let him know that we breeders knew much more about how to read our dogs than the vets do. They need to listen to us. He learned a very hard lesson. Puppies can be missed in a C section as well as live births. Just Sayin....Judi ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================