[ SHOWGSD-L ] Board Meeting-Learning something new everyday
- From: Amy <mrsaimers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Showgsd <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
Attempt 2...?
In my professional life my duties include Parliamentary Procedures so I would
like to provide a brief explanation regarding some information related to the
Board Meeting in July. To the best of my understanding.
1. In my professional world it would never be appropriate for
the parliamentarian of an organization to also be a voting member. There
should be a line of professionalism in that the rules are applied uniformly
across the board and not affect the outcome of a vote.
2. My understanding of the vote regarding the futurity money is as follows:
Motion made Seconded vote called with a 9 "ayes"-7"nay"-1 abstention with the
motion being called as passed. It then was requested by the parliamentarian
that the abstainer change their vote to a "nay" so that the president could
cast the deciding vote. In doing some research I found the following quote from
the 10th Edition of Roberts Rules of order.
Page 392 (15) Tie Votes and Cases in Which the Chair's vote affects the results.
If the presiding officer is a member of the assembly, he can vote as any
other member when the vote is by ballot (see also p.400). In all other cases
the presiding officer, if a member of the assembly, can (but is not obliged to)
vote whenever his vote will affect the result- that is, he can vote either to
break or to cause a tie; or, in a case where a two-thirds vote is required, he
can vote either to cause or to block the attainment of the neccessary two thirds
First I will say that professionally I have never seen this rule used.
I find this particularly interesting as first off the matter should not have
been up for debate once the chair indicated that it had passed secondly a
person that voted in the "nay" should not campain for a change in the vote of
the abstention vote. It is not the duties of a parlimentaerian to advise
someone how to vote or to change their vote. In light of also being a voting
member.
What this all comes down to is had the abstention vote not been changed to a
"nay" the vote would have passed and the Chair would not have had the
opportunity to vote on the matter therefore providing funding to the regional
clubs to use toward hosting of a futurity. As a member of a regional club I
know first hand what it takes to host and the expense requirements of a
futurity. Most regional clubs are struggling as it is and asking them to host
an event with no supporting funds will just cause the folding of more clubs or
the futurity system may not survive as if there is no clubs willing to host
them what if the point?
This is all JMO and what I have learned through my many years of parlimintary
procedure training and to be quite honest I don't like the smell of the whole
thing. I would encourage anyone that wants the the actual facts to request a
copy of the digital recording of the meeting (I understand this request has
been made by board members and denied at this time) the meeting minutes should
be available by draft also at this point. The meeting minutes should reflect
all action of the board which should include the first vote and the request to
change the vote.
I would also like to see the Board adopt into the bylaws the following of the
State of New York's Sunshine law which is their open records laws. If anyone
would like to contact me privately regarding either matter I will be happy to
discuss my observations and knowledge.
Thanks,
Amy Hubbard
6905 NW 92 Hwy
Smithville, MO 64089
(816) 547-9031
Aimers Kennel
Member GSDCA and GSDCGKC
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