Only way he would have produced?his color?was to have been bred to a sable....Leerburg kennel owner (European working lines) put a comment on his web site a few years ago saying there were no longer any American lines that would produce a black sable.... The list was infuriated... But it was true.... The reason it was true is that we (American breeders) don't often breed sables to sable... Working line people in Europe do it all the time... you'll have some European working lines that are sable for 5 and 6 generations (they are breeding for working and could care less what color the dog is).... THAT is where your black sables come from and other than breeding sable to sable for generations if you get a TRUE black sable it is a freak of nature.... Gary Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Harper <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx; showlist <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 9:48 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Black sables Doris, I agree, I thought her was breaktaking. Nancy Harper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris E" <irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "showlist" <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Black sables Do any of you remember CH. Von Eck's Mark? To this day I think he was one of the most beautiful Shepherds I ever saw, and he was a black sable. I once asked Judy Ecklund, his owner, if he had produced his color, and she said no. That was when he was quite young, so I don't know if he ever did. Doris E ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================