I don't think there is ANY way to figure out the "percentage" of color you will get in each breeding. Black is recessive......but if a black is bred to a black and tan that DOES carry the black factor you never know how many blacks you will get........or even if you will get ANY. OR......you could get a high percentage of blacks. One never knows. We have bred a black and tan stud who carried the black factor for sure....to a solid black bitch and have gotten no blacks. We have bred two black and tans that both carry the black recessive ( obviously ) and 50% of the litter was blacks. Breeding black to black is the only sure way to know. If you breed a black to a black and tan or sable that does NOT carry the black recessive you will not "risk" getting blacks in that breeding.....but you will deepen and enrich pigment. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx To: VSabiaB@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ~~Black bred to a Black question If you breed a black to a black you will get only blacks. However if you breed a black to a b/t who carries the black recessive you would probably get some black puppies but not fifty percent as some one had said. I bred my Zurich daughter who had solid black littermates to my Harley who had at least one black puppy in every litter that he sired hoping for black babies and got only ONE! This particular subject is of special interest to me because I have three black dogs ( two bitches and one male ) and one dark black and tan who should carry the black recessive. I do not know that for sure ,it is only a guess because he has only had one litter and he was bred with my one bitch who I know does not carry the black gene. In about three years I am hoping to breed nothing but solid black dogs simply because I love them. Amy Greenhut Justrock Shepherds Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises, Turtle & Tortoise Rescue -------------- Original message -------------- From: VSabiaB@xxxxxxx > I hope this isn't a "dummie" question > > If you breed a "black" to a "black" will the litter be ALL BLACKS? > > Thanks!! > > > Vicki > _Von Charisma German Shepherds_ > (http://members.aol.com/VAbby17801/VCGShepherds.html) > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================