[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Bi-Color in GSDs
- From: Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx
- To: marhaven@xxxxxxx, rayplummer@xxxxxxxxxxx, PeterCacioppo@xxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:39:59 EST
In a message dated 12/29/04 10:28:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxx
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From:<rayplummer@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: "Carolyn"<marhaven@xxxxxxx>To:"Peter
Cacioppo"
> Most of the Bi-color appearing dogs I have seen are actually not
>Ray writes: true bi's but are black and tans with a heavy coverage factor
for
> black. The reason I say this is that most of the dogs that are called
> Bi-Color have several shades of tan and or red or the yellows, while
> a true bi color will have only 2 colors and no shading.>
> I have also seen bi-colored dogs in grey and black. Look like a
> sable only there are only 2 colors of hair. Generally in Germany
> these dogs are referred to as Grey dogs and not sables. While here
> they are just called sables.> > Ray
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Hi Ray;
Many dogs are called bi colors that truly are not. This year's Grand Victor
BONO is called a bi color by many, but he is not a true bi color...... he does
give that impression from a distance.
A Bi Color is just that......a dog with JUST TWO colors....there is no
shadings
or changes of color markings and typically the tan is just on their legs and
under
the tail....some will have 'pencil' eyebrows and a cheek 'spot'.....but
again, these
are clear cut distinct markings with no blendings or shading of different
colors.
>
> Ray writes: It is similar to blacks. A true black will be all black with
maybe a
> small spot of white on the chest or on the tail tip. It will stay black
> all its life. It will not get brown or tan toes and hocks as it ages.
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I have to disagree with that. Maureen Yentzen who bred solid blacks for
years
wrote a great article on color in a very old Review. Her experience was
that almost
ALL blacks get a few 'flecks' of color between their toes and on the back of
the
pasterns and in front of the hock. To breed that out, she had to breed
solid black
to solid black for a generation or two......and she felt that wasn't always
smart as
often she had to use dogs not solid black to incorporate certain qualities she
needed more than to worry about those flecks of color. Solid blacks can also
have a patch of white on their chest like every other color in this
Breed.......this
seems to be a "Breed Thaing"....<G>
Some blacks are black with NO color flecks at all......
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
Hi Carolyn:
I consider the late Maureen Yentzen the expert on Solid Blacks. I am
grateful that I was a friend of hers and had one of her Black females..
I still have letters from Maureen with some of her experiences.
She was at the forefront of Color and Genetics, in Solid Blacks , and I
still think of her as the 'Authority on them'... which she proved in the
whelping
box.. at Maur-Ray kennels.
.It would be great if the Review could publish again her Articles on
Blacks... She was a fascinating and extremely knowledgable Lady. barb williams
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