Nancie, If you look at the coloration pattern for Dobie and Rotties, you will see a true bi-color, as you describe below. I don't have my books close to refer to, but I believe it's the same gene that causes the bi-color in GSDs. We just have different modifiers to it. I've never seen either of those breeds with the solid black face that we get. Nor have I seen GSDs with the very open markings (not tan enclosed in black) that can be found in either Dobies or Rotts. >>> <Erynbrook1@xxxxxxx> 12/29/04 3:45 PM >>> In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:01:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > There also seem to be some modifiers at work on German Shepherds. > In the old time photos, there were bi-colors with definite eye brow > and cheek markings. We seem to have lost that in most of our > bi-colors today. > > > Sue Mazzeo > Yeah, and maybe 2 spots on the front of the chest? Actually a pattern to the markings, 2 eyebrow dots, 2 chest spots, 2 check spots, and tan feet/pasterns,but not all the way up to the elbows? Nancie Front Range German Shepherd Rescue CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================