If your goal is to remove the dead undercoat on your GSD try the "MGT Stripper Blade #10" from PetEdge.com. The Item No. is TP5151009. This is without a doubt the best undercoat removal tool I've found so far. Price: $11.99. Buy two, a friend will most likely borrow one and never return it.....size #10 is made for GSDs. I had one with me at the AZ shows this last weekend and let a couple of people use it, and they wanted to buy it from me right there and then. This tool WILL NOT damage the top coat. However, as with any tool of this kind, do not use against the grain. You will tear off the hair, and your dog will probably bite you.......with reason. Or...... you can do it the easy way and take the blow dryer 2 or 3 times a week to your dog. That's my favorite method of removing dead hair....<G> I have tried the furminator shampoo and conditioner, and they are pretty good, but not much better than the "Mane and Tail" products, which you can find at your local feed store and WalMart, and are a whole lot cheaper. Hope this helps. Ileana I go to dog shows to have fun, otherwise I can go to work ;-) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================