At a show here in Florida Slider got a 3rd place ribbon - Winners Dog was from his class so the 2nd place dog had to go back for Reserve. The next thing I know AKC wrote me that I have to send back his 2nd place ribbon and his placement was being recinded for not going back in the ring for Reserve. I sent them a letter from Scott (his handler) that Slider was not the 2nd place winner along with a photocopy of his 3rd place ribbon and that I was sitting 20 feet from the ring enterance and he was never called. The owner of the 2nd place dog ignored my request for a letter. Anyway, the judge denied this happend and claimed that Slider was definitely 2nd place so his placement was recinded. I told AKC I coundn't return his 2nd place ribbon because he never had one and they said to forget returning the ribbon. I know it's not worth fighting over a 3rd place ribbon, it was the principle. I said to hell with it and will never show another dog with AKC as long as I live. Gayle & the Hooligans! http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=6&uidB94023 - Link to The Hooligans Albums -- "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: The only time a dog is REQUIRED to compete (here in the AKC shows) is that group winners MUST compete for Best in Show. You are not REQUIRED to show up to compete for Winners, Reserve, or Best of Winners.... and Winners and Reserve may be awarded when all dogs eligible are not present.... not so Best of Winners........to award that, both dog and bitch must be in the ring. Peggy Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Best of Winners > I've twice gotten nastygrams from AKC and had class placements rescinded > for not getting a dog in the ring for Winners. I had ring conflicts, and > in one case, I had the dog standing by, but the person that had offered to > help wandered off. I found that one judge even tried to have me benched, > but the Rep advised against it. > ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4tyufoqs8heId1e7va0MtAyBWUT69AJdaqrBH1rhojzRhqQe/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================