In a message sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:53 PM EST "Terra Fairburn" <terraf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I personally think Jackie's question(s) were fine. I do not and did not think there was a mean spirited demeanor meant. Some people wanted the name and whatever...but there were some who really wanted to discuss judges understanding of their breed assignments and how they decide to with hold a ribbon. I would like to be involved in the list when you can learn and share and not be afraid of being criticized or maligned. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From the responses I've read to Jackie's post, I haven't gathered that anyone has a problem with Jackie's question or feels that Jackie was being mean spirited in the asking. However, I feel the subject should have been introduced in a different manner. If the object of Jackie's post was to start a discussion thread on one of the more political/controversial aspects of judging, wouldn't it have been better to simply ask something like, "I've heard through the show ring "rumor-net" that judges won't withhold ribbons from inferior dogs for fear of losing assignments. What's your take?" As the old adage goes, "Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees." Well, I think the "trees" were the details included in Jackie's post. The details of what the judge said, where it was said, and to whom it was said, weren't needed to initiate a discussion on the topic of judges withholding ribbons. Especially when these details amounted to nothing more than hearsay. Plus, while Jackie's question in and of itself wasn't inflammatory, the judge's supposed comments were quite inflammatory, given this venue. A lot of Listers get very tired of people, unfamilar with American show lines, asking if their angulated and Perfectly Sound dog is crippled by dysplasia. I know I do. This is a sensitive subject with the owners, breeders, and exhibitors of American GSDs, so why "muddy the waters?" Paulette McGuirt PS Peggy, you go girl! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================