I agree Carolyn, unfortunately they do not always follow the standard. They pick 1 thing that they deem the most important, like expression. The reason I do not go to many all breeds is most all breed judging is not good (my opinon ) and part of that is lack of knowledge but also most of the rings are way to small for a dog to look their best. Off times it is the one that stacks the best wins..... HOWEVER there are some really good all breed judges. Deb In a message dated 8/5/2012 9:10:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx writes: Judge by the standard ? I had one last month bring them out to face her, then made silly little noises and gave the win to the worst (according to the standard) but the cutest expression. She had the wrong standard that time. Carolyn ________________________________ From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Because we don't need to To promote your GSD breed so others can see them. Winning is not everything promotion of the breed you love is. If you feel the judge does not place your dog for lack of knowledge of the breed that is not always the case. There are lots of AKC judges that use to breed GSD's. If it is a AKC show the judge is going by their standards. http://www.akc.org/breeds/german_shepherd_dog/index.cfm Theresa On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:46 AM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: Why would I need to show at an all-breed show with a judge who means well, but does not have a clue about the standard? About every three or four years I forget this, and enter an all-breed. 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