That sounds like the Caucasion Ovtcharka breed I know and love. It is indeed NOT a breed for most people. Even most dog people. Tough, yes in spades. . They learn and think differently than a GSD...they are thought to have come from crossing wolves w/Tibetan Mastiffs, but the exact origin may never be known. They are also nocturnal barkers by evolution, and not suited for close neighborhoods and being left out at night. You are right, everyone /thing on their property becomes part of the "flock".. they guard with their lives even dogs that don't like THEM, lol. They are huge, as swift as most sighthounds, and can jump (but prefer not to) They take down a threat by either "sweeping " it's feet out from under it, or throwing their IMMENSE size into it, knock it down and crush it's spine, windpipe....or it's skull. They kill cleanly, quickly and will often eat their "catch". They are not to be chastised for this , when ridding the property of threats or varmints. They are tough, and aspire to dominance quickly. The bitches are especially fierce. The bitches are more likely to patrol the property, while the males generally lay around and wait to see if they need back up,lol. This has become my second favorite breed. The first obviously, our beloved GSDs. But I don't see my life without a Caucasion Ovtcharka in it. Kathy Tank LEE writes: >>>>>>>>> > is an experienced dog owner and has trained > herding and guardian breeds, but none were able to keep the coyotes away, > so > she purchased an Ovtcharka. > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================