We (Darcy and I)use UKC as a training tool to get puppies(and Jrs.) ready for AKC. Ring procedures are similar as are evals(teeth, testicles etc) some of the quality leaves alot to be desired. I've seen several crossover CH/GRCh (AKC/UKC)Chs. and have also seen some crap. The newbies need to realize that just because their dog is competitive in UKC doesn't mean it will be in AKC. Been there done that Cherish is a UKC GRCh. but would she finish in AKC No not just my opinion but also a couple of GSD breeder judges as well. Bob Neiman / Walled Lake, Mich. Breeder/owner of UKC GR Ch.B'N'B-Barkalot's Cherish RN Co-owner of UKC ChSandyCreek-B'N'B-WC's Christmas Star AKA Echo Co-owner of Ketlyn's Black Widow --- On Sat, 6/20/09, texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx <texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx <texasgsds@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] "Be Kind To Newbies Day" To: brendangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 7:56 PM But by suggesting that they try matches or UKC or another type of show first, this will make them happy, help build their confidence, they gain some experience and knowledge about the breed and how to handle, plus they will begin to see what type of dogs are winning and figure it out themselves and eventually get another dog that is more competitive. Then there are more new people showing. Let's face it, clubs are folding because of lack of money and lack of entries and we need more people showing. Lu Ann Kennedy *************************************************************************************************** Why not be honest about the conformation and suggest obedience, agility, tracking, herding or rally. You could offer to help educate them about the breed so that maybe, when they are ready, and if they are still interested in conformation they would make a better more informed choice. Who knows, maybe they'd even buy a dog from you. That's what I did, although the GSD people just said unkind things about my dog behind my back, but just loud enough for me to hear. I got educated and when I finally got a conformation dog I got a good one. Diane BISS Ch. Echo-Cham's River Phoenix OFA H&E AKA "River" Da-Jo's Crestview Ironman AKA "Tony" Echo-Cham's Satin Doll AKA "Dolly" Tejas' Not Ready To Make Nice (deceased) DB's Kurzon Dax of Starfleet,CGC,CD, HT sheep,PT cattle, TT (deceased) Modi, CD (deceased) ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================