But by suggesting that they try matches or UKC or another type of show first, this will make them happy, help build their confidence, they gain some experience and knowledge about the breed and how to handle, plus they will begin to see what type of dogs are winning and figure it out themselves and eventually get another dog that is more competitive. Then there are more new people showing. Let's face it, clubs are folding because of lack of money and lack of entries and we need more people showing. Lu Ann Kennedy *************************************************************************************************** Why not be honest about the conformation and suggest obedience, agility, tracking, herding or rally. You could offer to help educate them about the breed so that maybe, when they are ready, and if they are still interested in conformation they would make a better more informed choice. Who knows, maybe they'd even buy a dog from you. That's what I did, although the GSD people just said unkind things about my dog behind my back, but just loud enough for me to hear. I got educated and when I finally got a conformation dog I got a good one. Diane BISS Ch. Echo-Cham's River Phoenix OFA H&E AKA "River" Da-Jo's Crestview Ironman AKA "Tony" Echo-Cham's Satin Doll AKA "Dolly" Tejas' Not Ready To Make Nice (deceased) DB's Kurzon Dax of Starfleet,CGC,CD, HT sheep,PT cattle, TT (deceased) Modi, CD (deceased) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================