In a message dated 8/4/2006 9:25:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyndyinseattle@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: One more thing - what the heck is a voice box? Dogs - and people - have vocal cords, and I have had several vets tell me the debarking surgery is no more painful than having your tonsils out. ---------------------- Actually, dog's don't have a 'voice box'. Debarking is done by clipping a single, thin flap of skin - much less complex than having your tonsils out, and definitely MUCH less painful and traumatic than a spay/neuter. Some of my dogs are debarked and they were more upset about missing breakfast than from the surgery. OTH, when I've had dogs spayed or neutered, they were in obvious pain and discomfort for days. Dogs also don't depend on barking to communicate - posture, stance, scent, etc, are how they get their message across to each other. Everyone's circumstance is different - if you are able to keep your dogs quiet or live where no one is bothered by the barking, that's great. But if it's a choice between debarking or risking having your dogs seized and/or euthanised, then debarking is a way to keep your dogs safe and with the family they love. BTW - I can still hear my own dogs, but they don't bother the neighbors. They have warned me of intruders and have chased them away. I guess the intruders were more worried about the teeth than a little noise! Janice From: Gsdbroon@xxxxxxxxxxx: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 23:23:18 -0400Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Barking????To: cyndyinseattle@xxxxxxxxxxx In a message dated 8/4/2006 8:15:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cyndyinseattle@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: So, for me, if it were a choice of living without my dogs or debarking them, rest assured, I will debark them before I have to live without them. This is what my friends have donel They love the dogs...and would not have given then up. E have visited them and I agree with Cyndy......they bark like they always did....but they do not disturb the neighbors. viv ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================