Hey listers, =A0 Need to ask another question.=A0 For those of you who show in conformation, have you ever had an experience where a judge was rough on a young dog and as a result, the dog shied from the judge the rest of that show and the next day?=A0 If so, what did you do to help the dog recover from that experience so that the next time you show it doesn't happen again?=A0 I had something like that happen this weekend and I want to make sure my boy doesn't think all judges are bad now.=A0 I did get some tips this weekend from the wonderful people here locally, but I just wanted to see if there are any ideas that haven't been thought of in case those tips don't work. Tina Klahn=A0 Illusion GSDs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good question Tina and to some degree, there is no "one answer fits all." Only you, over time, will be able to know where the problem is, if there is one and how to correct it, or if it can be corrected. There are two parts to the problem you describe: 1. The dog, and 2. The judge The dog who reacts inappropriately may be young and inexperienced, and may do fine after a few shows and some socialization. Socialization is so very important and ring experience is also part of the equation. I had a judge once tell me to not bring my puppy into her ring until it was totally trained and ready to handle it. Excuse me! Training is one thing, but experience happens in the ring! So we did not take an inexperienced dog back to her, in fact we did not take anything back to her. I meet attitude on the freeway daily, I don't need it on my hobby day off. And there is something to be said for the feeling that a good dog that is sound will not react. I think that is only partially true for the puppy getting their feet wet in the ring, but basically, I believe it to be true. But there are levels of soundness and while there are some ideal dogs, most fall somewhere short of perfection in a descending scale. Somewhere in that scale, and below, is the dog that is not going to do well and is not a credit to the breed. We can love them and keep them, but we have to decide occasionally to not show them or breed them. Aside from that spectrum of dog temperament is the judge issue. I have seen some judges who simply do not handle dogs well. I met one some years ago who was afraid of German Shepherds. God only knows why they were judging them. And we have seen judges that stalk the dogs, staring at them while approaching them, and doing other overpowering things that are simply inappropriate to any German Shepherd. Most breed judges are around the dogs regularly and understand what is appropriate or not. If you find one who does not, it is their best interest and the best interest of the sport to point it out to them, the show committee or AKC. There are a few judges out there who should be out there just a little further - outside the ring. The real answer is to do your best to socialize your dog and then find some understanding breed judges who will allow you to get some ring experience without any expectations of winning or standing still. Training them well is important then getting the necessary experience is also important. The same is true for the exhibitor. You also need enough experience with the judges you show under to not give an entry to those who are without sufficient knowledge of the breed or of their temperament to do a good job. Those who judge should know, and fortunately most do. We who show do, in a certain sense, empower judges to be there by our entry. That's my opinion - which is most often wrong to many people... <G> Dave _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.3.5 http://www.iolo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================