Kathy.........now you now that there is a small percent of people who show dogs and not just our breed. I am talking about showing dogs in general, who only care about winning. They do not care about anyone else or their feelings. They just say what they are thinking at that particular monent without looking around or thinking. The only important thing is winning . It does not matter who you hurt to get there. I love my dogs. Each and every one of them. I really do not give a d#$% about what anyone else thinks of my dogs. I showed my male in May. He had not been showed in almost two years. He is a very nice dog. We were trying to build a major. It turned out to be only two points but he looked so nice after his bath I wanted to see him in the ring. This was at the Detroit specialty. He went out there and showed like he does it all the time and won RWD. I was so proud of him. Everyone there was so nice to me and clapped for him. It made me feel good. That is how other exhibitors are supposed to act when someone else wins. But unfortunately we are talking about the real world here. I for one will be happy to congratulate someone when their dog wins. Sometimes people just need to keep their opinions to themselves.  I think that I can probably guess who you are talking about with the bad manners but of course will not because we are on a public list. I do know of a couple of people out there your way who would display this behavior if their dog gets beat. It is a dog show people. There are people out there with no place to live and no food and we have people getting angry when their dogs get beat. They need to grow up and get a f@#^$% #@ life in my opinion.  Amy Greenhut Justrock German Shepherds Gen Oak Leopard Tortoises &  Tortoise Rescue Behold The Turtle,  He Makes Progress Only When He Sticks His Neck Out A Quote By James B. Conant ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================