[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Background checks for parent club officers?
- From: Margery Golant <mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <cyndy@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:06:54 -0400
Cyndy, I know you meant it constructively. It is conceptually very different
for those who live with background checks and investigations as a regular thing
- you just don't think about it the same way as if you have not been through
it. I have been through it so many times that it is no big deal, and my life
is an open book anyway - but I can understand that it might put people off who
have not had to do it before, and so might cause people to decide not to seek
Club office.
When I set out to get admitted to the Florida Bar, they had (still have) a
Character and Fitness Exam that is harder to pass than Security Clearance for
the State Department (according to people who have done both)?! They do it
intentionally - they like to keep the barriers to entry very high. I had to
give them names of 12 references, 6 personal and 6 professional. Then, the
Florida Bar Investigator contacted them all, and asked them all to tell him
everything they knew about me. Then, as the icing on the cake, he asked EACH
of them to give him the names of 6 people they knew who knew me, and contacted
all of those additional people, asked them all to tell him everything they knew
about me, and asked all of them for another 6 names, etc. It was like the
widening circles when you throw a pebble in a stream. Eventually there was NO
ONE who knew me who hadn't been contacted by the Florida Bar Investigator?? I
couldn't go anywhere, see anyone I knew, without being told t
hat that person had been contacted by the Florida Bar. It was truly amazing.
The cycle does not stop until they stop getting new names.
They work on the theory that they will find out absolutely everything there is
to know that way. I am sure that is true. That is in addition to a full
credit check, criminal and traffic history, docket check, public records check,
and civil history. It took close to a year. Had I had any secrets, they would
have found them. Fortuantely, I didn't have any, so eventually they ran out of
things to investigate and admitted me to the Florida Bar.
Margy Golant
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From: cyndy@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: 2005/09/19 Mon PM 06:20:20 EDT
To: mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
CC: cyndy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx,
showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Background checks for parent club officers?
Thank you, Margy. That is exactly what I meant.
Cyndy
----- Original Message -----
From: Margery Golant <mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:08 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Background checks for parent club officers?
>
> I'm sure Cyndy didn't mean to start a firestorm. When you are
> used to background checks and clearances as a matter of normal
> daily life, it feels different. I can understand her thought
> process - I work for a publicly-traded corporation as in-house
> counsel, and previously worked for a publicly-traded Federall-
> regulated bank. Security was and is high, all the more so because
> of Sarbannes-Oxley and the ongoing fallout from the recent
> scandals (Enron, Worldcom). As a result, all new hires in both
> companies are subjected to rigorous background screening, and at
> my current company, to drug testing as well. In addition, here
> they do random drug testing of current employees, and anyone can
> be tapped to give a sample, from the CEO to the weekend janitor.
>
> When I was in the process of going to work at the bank and was
> told about the background screen, it did leave me with a creepy
> feeling. I knew I had nothing to worry about, but the idea of a a
> total stranger (or strangers) combing through every detail of my
> life just was not comfortable. Once I passed through that phase
> and was onboard as in-house counsel, from time to time the HR
> Department would bring me background screen reports from potential
> new people which they questioned, for me to advise them whether or
> not to be concerned, from a general liability standpoint, and also
> as it related to Sarb-Ox (now they call it SOX <G>). Initially it
> felt very strange to be reading details that intimate about
> people's lives (even though I had been practicing law, including
> matrimonial law for 20 years), but eventually it became routine,
> and so I didn't have the same reaction to the suggestion that many
> here did.
>
> I don't mean by the above that I agree that the proposal makes
> sense - I don't think so at all. The GSDCA is a dog club, not a
> Federally-regulated entity with public shareholders, or the US
> State Department. The GSDCA and can and should encourage everyone
> who has something constructive to contribute to run for GSDCA
> office. We need all the good people who are willing to step
> forward to be, and to feel welcome.
>
> However, we also need good ideas regarding lots of the things we
> do in the GSDCA, and potential ways to do them better. The way
> that process works is for people to brainstorm. Lots of ideas
> that come out of brainstorming sessions are not workable, but
> occasionally one emerges that is great. I do think we should take
> the suggestion in the spirit Cyndy offered it - as a brainstorming
> idea, not as an attack on anyone, which clearly was not her
intention.
>
> Margery Golant
> Recording Secretary
> GSDCA
>
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> From: cyndy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: 2005/09/19 Mon PM 03:08:24 EDT
> To: cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Background checks for parent club
officers?
>
>
> DD,
> I have no idea who is even running for office. I am so far out of
> the
> loop. I've been no mail for a couple of months now, and the last I
> heard about the election was at a show in Ventura several months ago.
> I'm working on a Sarbannes Oxley audit here at the office, and
> fiduciary responsibility is on my mind I guess. The club has a
> large
> budget, and well, it just got me wondering. Many non profits also
> run
> background checks on volunteers for one reason or another.
> Cyndy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Monday, September 19, 2005 8:20 am
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Background checks for parent club
officers?
>
> > Cyndy-Why do you bring this up?? Is there a reason to suggest
> > such a check?
> > What false rumor are you trying to inject into this election?
> Are
> > somecandidates getting desperate? Mud slinging in a dog club
> > election is a sign
> > of desperate people and I think this subject is inappropriate.
> Of
> > coursethis is only my opinion and I don`t think this was
> > instigated by any of the
> > present candidates running for office. But what do I know? D.D.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cynthia Davis" <cyndy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:58 PM
> > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Background checks for parent club officers?
> >
> >
> > > I am in Human Resources. Most companies and organizations
> > require all
> > > potential employees to pass a strict criminal and sometimes civil
> > background
> > > check. For employees with access to or control over funds, we
> > also run a
> > > credit check.
> > >
> > > Even thought not employees, for as large an organization as
> the
> > GSDCA is
> > and
> > > for as large as our budget is, I would think we would want to
> do
> > the same
> > of
> > > our potential officers.
> > >
> > > If you think it is something that we should do, I can explain
> in
> > moredetail
> > > how it would work. It is inexpensive and can be done
> confidentially,
> > meaning
> > > that we could set pass/fail criteria and the results would be
> > pass or
> > fail,
> > > without giving details of any conviction.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Cyndy Davis
> > >
> > >
> >
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