And at very least our club certainly has the dollars available to have hired an outside legal expert that could guide us through options. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: caggra@xxxxxxx To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx; Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx; hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:51 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: BOARD VOTE I won't pretend to know all the details of this entire situation or at all be up to date on the legal issues pertaining to it. However, based on the information I have seen and heard, if there was ever a passionate issue or person that our club, it's membership and it's elected voice(board) could and should take on and put their dollars toward, it is this one. Jeff Pyle -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx; hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: BOARD VOTE In a message dated 1/29/2007 9:51:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx writes: In a message dated 1/29/2007 8:35:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: If all the "NO" votes post..then we can out those who voted "YES" If some of those that voted "Yes" happen to be judging our National..then boycott them. If you feel passionately about this issue, then don't EVER vote these Board members in again...and don't support them in ANY endeavor. If this causes conflict within the Board..too bad.. that should have been thought of before some on the Board decided to back a person that violates the very principles the Board was elected to uphold. I understand that there was an alleged promise by Mr. Hunte to make a sizable donation to our club if he was allowed membership. Personally, if this is true, I don't think our club should accept it. It is blood money. How can you accept a donation from someone who traffics in dogs..if we accept it, than we are partners in crime. Christine Very good post Christine. My feelings exactly.....I made the decision at the meeting when the result was heard to boycott a yea voter judging the national if disclosed. The bylaw interpretation was difficult for some board members but there was an option.......this could have been tabled indefinitely or at least until the annual meeting and put into the memberships hands. What is done is done.............but everyone needs to get informed and make careful, conscientious decisions at election time. Molly Trillia German Shepherds since 1974 I would have done exactly what's being done (voted yes to avoid a legal snafu and then worked to change the bylaws). I have read and re-read the bylaws. I have looked for a legal leg to stand on to deny membership based on an individual's occupation and I sure haven't found one. For me, the mistake was made when the application process was changed. I understand why it was done (to move us in line with available on-line technology), but it has left us in a pickle. Was this foreseeable? Who knows...spilt milk. Now, you can agree or disagree if the club was in jeopardy of a protracted legal battle and/or if the board members could be held personally liable and/or if the battle would have merit. (It doesn't matter, even legal battles without merit cost money; lots and lots of $$$$...just ask the parents of the Duke students!) It's all well and good to be all passionate sitting at your keyboard and take the moral high road when it isn't your own house/bank account/estate for your children that are in jeopardy and/or when you don't have to make the call that could possibly jeopardize the club's financial stability. Very easy then to opine, isn't it, when you personally have nothing to loose? But go ahead, boycott this, protest that...if you must. Moving forward, there are a number of breed clubs that have a clause in their bylaws prohibiting members from trafficking in puppies. I sent examples to the board when this originally came up and I will find/send the info to Tish in the next two weeks. (Interesting...I predict that our members may not like/would certainly get tangled in some of these restrictions...some are stringent!) The outcome will be the same, in roughly the same time frame and we will have a permanent and better solution in our bylaws. In fact, we can rework the ethics committee and the Breeders' Code is being worked on...all super things IMO....without putting the club in jeopardy I might add. So...I applaud the results. We avoided conflict, learned from our mistakes and now we rework the bylaws for a permanent solution. Now, will this decrease the wholesale trafficking of puppies? Will this change anything as far as millers and brokers and pet shops? No, but our club's name won't be associated, which is a good thing. Kathy member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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