great minds think alike!! I just wrote the same to Carolyn!! (I was too chicken to send my thoughts to the list.. is just seemed too darned simple!!) obviously, there is no "perfect" specimen, but there are several that are very close.. I think they could use them and "tweak" them as needed to make them "perfect" to illustrate the standard.. Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com/litters.htm New litter born august 12/05!! 6 girls, 5 boys - 3 black boys, 2 black girls! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paige McLaughlin" <jimchyn@xxxxxxxxx> To: "The List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: BAD.... illustrated standard > What if we had a vote as to who the dog that most represented the standard was/is? The board would select the candidates maybe one each or less if two or more people agreed on one. That would not be one that was perfect all over, but one who moved as the standard calls, one who was beautiful/ to the standard set up, and clean coming and going shouldn't be a problem because there should only be one interpretation of it. Then do the drawings from those dogs. You wouldn't have to tell the public who won if that might be a problem for some reason. Just my idea. > > > Carolyn <marhaven@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > From: To: > >I agree the illustrations in the current standard are primitive,,,,,,however the > >illustrations we saw in one of the previous versions did not depict a proper > >structure of our GSD at all ! They will have to have been improved immensely before > >it ever represents our breed to the best it can.............I was thoroughly > >disgusted with what i saw in the previous version. > > I believe the new PROPOSED illustrated standard whenever finished and not rushed to > > beat a deadline, should be sent to the membership for a vote. Something this > > important should never be the decision of 18 board members. And while i agree you > > won't please everyone, you will at least get a majority vote on the issue that will > > be with us for years to come. JMO> Amy Safdir > > Almanya Shepherds> www.almanyagsd.com > ************************************************ > I hear all the suggestions as to what we [the membership] don't want done but > no one is saying how they want it done. Is it that you want new people > handling the nis? And who is to say there will not be as many people object to the > way they do it. Do you want every new page that is revised to be put to a vote > of the entire membership? We are going to need a lot of money to do it that > way. Really I do not agree or disagree with the objections being raised but > along with those objections you must submit your plan as to how you want it > handled. I suspect if all the membership were to submit a plan we might have 3000 > plans out of 4000 members. Really when you object also along with the objection > send your plan. I mean this NOT in a sarcastic way who knows someone may > have a great idea that all 4000 of us will like. Fred Migliore > ************************************ > Well I sure don't have any suggestions how to please 4,000 people in a diverse > membership.........but I can suggest that if the new illustrated Standard is no > better than what we saw last time.......it is no improvement on what we already > have and therefore we should just save the money and leave it as it is!!! > If we cannot improve it artistically......then we can wisely save our money and > leave it alone until that is possible. We don't "need a change for changes sake". > What is the harm in allowing Breeders and Judges and Exhibitors....MEMBERS... > to at least see the new improved version before it is put to a vote?? > This is one of the single biggest driving forces in our visual on our Standard > and our daily decisions, whether Judging, chosing pups or entering shows. > RUSHING it through and forcing the Board to make an up or down vote on a > mediocre or bad version will be the single biggest mistake we can allow as an > entire membership of 4,000. WHY alienate a membership and waste the money > if it happens to be just mediocre or even bad?? I don't get it.....when did we > run out of TIME? No time for the membership?? > GEEEEEZ.......even a space program has to be scrapped occasionally...... > > Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx > www.marhaven.com > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2005. 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