How long did it take you to totally misconstrue my post and twist it into something it wasn't intended to be? five minutes..and hour? Remarkable. Just to clarify for you. this was a thread on "awards" not about greatness of a certain dog or pedigrees, or which came first the chicken or the egg. Bear was a classic example of a dog who many thought should go GV and did not, yet he did achieve greatness in his producing ability. Since you opened up this can of worms..each dog must stand on his own merit as a producer. If you breed enough good dogs you soon learn that animals that share an identical pedigree do not produce the same, nor do some produce as their pedigree would indicate that they would. So when it is all said and done, I am not certain what your point was, other than you felt Jesse James was slighted by my using Sundance Kid as my example of a dog who didn't not achieve the ultimate conformation award, but did achieve the ultimate as a producer.. next time I will be certain to attach a copy of the whole pedigree back to Hektor when I comment on a dog, so as not to leave anyone one out. Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: <tyke.8953@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; caggra@xxxxxxx <caggra@xxxxxxx>; <chsweetsun@xxxxxxx>; <LEWIEB@xxxxxxx>; <PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 6/20/2007 2:32:23 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Awards, Merits, etc... > > This probably just proves that I'm older (more into senility) than a lot of others, but I remember dogs (and, to be politically correct, bitches, too) behind Sun Dance Kid who had lots to do with what he was - going back to the one who set my standard - his great great (maybe a few more greats) grandfather - Am/Can Ch. Doppelt Tay's Jesse James ROM. Beauty in body, beauty in soul, beauty in offspring. I was also lucky enough to meet Jesse's daughters from the Sweete D. . of Friendshipe litter as well as his grandsons, Hammer and Hawkeye. > Those whose ideas of greatness go back only four or five generations miss considering the many generations - and the time and work - it took to create what we see in the ring today. > Elaine > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Just now checking e-mails from the last couple of days. Read this thread > > and found it interesting, read the different viewpoints and also found them > > interesting, and very diverse. We all set goals..when you enter BOB > > competition, you hope( if you dare let yourself think it) that you might be > > competitive enough to go GV. However, a dogs legacy will live on through > > his/her progeny. I say this because I am reminded of the dog who formulated > > my opinion about the breed very early and that dog was Sundance Kid. To me > > this dog was worthy of the GV title, but it was not meant to be, HOWEVER > > his legacy lives on today through the many progeny he sired, who too went > > on to be good producers. > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================