Dana is gathering this information for her DPCA. Please reply directly to her privately. Thanks S I need to gather some information. Does anyone have any acquaintances who own de-barked dogs - any breed - that chose that procedure as a last resort when training, bark collars, or confinement failed to quiet the dog? What about handlers or breeders - particularly with small breeds like Shelties, Finnish Spitz, or other vocal breeds that opt for de-barking as an alternative to shock collars, screaming at the dog, using the hose, or whatever? A draft bill is in the works that could send you to prison for up to 5 years and $2500 fine if you have your dog de-barked in that state - even by a licensed vet. I need examples that I can use to refute this bill - no names will be given - perhaps only mentioning city/state. I need breed, reason the dog was de-barked, and your satisfaction with the procedure. Things like was your dog in pain after the surgery, did he seem depressed that he couldn't be heard, did the de-barking fail - as in did the vocal cords grow back? Private replies please, Dana Johnson danjodobies@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Stormy Hope carpoc.org GSDCA Member And more clubs ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================