In a message dated 11/17/2004 5:00:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, susan-sullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: We still see GSDs quivering, tucking tails and looking totally panicked in the ring and in the buildings at the all-breeds So then we can assume that either the temperament test is not working, or we can judge the dogs without it. I know the test looks good, but I don't know many good judges who need it to see what the dog is like. As described above, we don't need no stinkin test. I do a temperament test, because the Parent Club thinks it is necessary. I never get surprised by what happens, it is always as I expect. I see dogs pull away that are sound and dogs stand like a rock that are spooks. Then I get to decide what to do with what I have in the ring. But, I try to follow procedure to make everyone happy. Evan Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================