My point is.. you just never know when the old instincts will come out in some breeds.. Hell, cockers are the worst around - my brother (the vet) says that there are more cocker bites than any other breed - per capita. the difference is they are smaller and don't tear and maim and bite to kill. Bites are one thing, attacks are another. Who needs these breeds bred to attack and kill? There will always be that story of that fabulous PB, Fila etc.. but over all, it is their propensity to unpredictability that is the problem. JMO... BTW, when we owned our boarding kennel/grooming shop in Alberta, the worst dogs were the lhasas, chows and cockers that came in - but it was a lab that put my daughter in the hospital on IV antibiotics.. of course, we didn't groom or board any of these breeds (PB etc) Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Donnelly To: stormygsd@xxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Article On Dogs- No Solution I understand what you are saying Sue. BUT there are reputable breeders out there that are breeding away from the lines that were bred to maim and kill. It can happen. Just as a GSD breeder can breed a dog that has no interest in herding to another that has no interest to herding, and they get pups ( not all, but some pups ) will also have no real interest in herding. That dog that bit you while at a friend's house had some wires loose. It happened to me also. I was walking through a friends house, went over to the sundeck to admire the view and got nailed on my thigh. Just bruised the skin. I never ever put it down to "well that's that breed and what they do" though. It could just have easily been a Cocker and got my calf, or a GSD and got my hip. I've been bitten by a Lab! No reason for it that I could see, but it happened...wires crossed? I dunno. I also personally know a lady that had her Lab for 6 years and it snapped one day and chewed 1/4 of her face. Bottom line for me, is it is not always a breed "thing". It's wonky wiring or me not paying attention to the signals. Colleen Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> wrote: HOWEVER... There are breeds of dogs that naturally attract the "bad guys" simply by the very nature of the breed and the ease by which it can be turned into a "weapon" - it's just not enough to say "Bred properly, put into the right owners hands, this breed is just as wonderful..."because there are no assurances that this would happen even in the majority of the time. Also, these breeds have as much instinct in them to "maim" as ours do to herd.. we can keep it under wraps, but you just never know what and when that "instinct" will be turned on..I have also had that lovely pet chow on a grooming table turn into a snaring, biting thing.. not nice to witness and too much of a risk to human life and limb, in my view.. Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Donnelly" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Article On Dogs- No Solution > "Why would anyone own one of these dogs? (except for the obvious) > > You are equating owning one to being a bad guy? That's just wrong. > > Bred properly, put into the right owners hands, this breed is just as wonderful as your chosen breed Sherry. > > Colleen Donnelly > > > Sherry Nolan wrote: > With all the bad press about this breed and the obvious insurance > problems...WHY would a family want one? I think law enforcement for the > gang banger and drug dealers just on the drug issue is so lax what makes us > think they would enforce the dog laws? Again why would anyone own one of > these dogs? (except for the obvious) > > > > Sherry > Willowlake Kennels > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED BETTERMENT REGISTRY The only way to understand & estimate the nature of the dog is to study his whole development. 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