What is amazing is all the people handlers and dogs that fly in from Germany. They seem to be able to figure it out. The Seiger show has only the protection and conformation to deal with. They also host the helper championships. Terry Joan Fox <campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url (#default#vml);} v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url (#default#vml) } We have to be sure that we do not interfere with any local Specialties when looking at dates so we can't be cavalier and just jump around. It does not matter also what weekend we may want it's the site that says what they have open. This is another reason to nail them down with contracts. Horse shows work 3 to 10 years out to get the best sites. Excess baggage is usually $100 each way I think. Overweight is different. Continental/Northwest charge freight so it's $500 or $600 each way per dog. Get's more and more complicated huh? Joan -------Original Message------- From: Terry Cochran Date: 10/31/2006 9:12:05 PM To: Carolyn; rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx; DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx; dir@xxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Arizona- National sites I flew from Saint Louis home on Monday at 4:00 in the afternoon. It is a great time to fly. The planes are not full. I had two large plans the problem was if there weren't enough people they canceled the flights. My guess is that the people who want to show dogs will be driving and the spectators will be flying. With that in mind the nationals that are held in the colder climates need to be early Oct and the nationals held in the southern warmer climates can be held in Nov. What was the average cost of flying a dog excess baggage? I was over weight with the cameras and printers. They charged me 75.00 each way for being 20 lbs over the limit. Terry Carolyn <marhaven@xxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Terry; We drove to St. Louis with three dogs caravaning with another van with two dogs from N. California. Four days driving to get there.........three days of hard driving another route to get home. No National site is perfect......there will always be an issue we can pick on if we are so inclined and bad things happen to good people.......but it all starts with easy to get to with dogs to make a successful National. It's a huge undertaking......and everyone wants it in their back yard. The best that can be done is to make it easy access for everyone with dogs. We are all going to have to concede to that first, to keep the National successful. Then.......seriously consider helping to find sites near main hub airports for direct flights for the dog friendly airlines. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Cochran To: rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; VPREZHMF@xxxxxxx ; DestinoGS1@xxxxxxx ; dir@xxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Arizona How many people drove to the national? I didn't attend this year but did go to the NASS in Saint Louis. this past week. I talked to 3 groups of people that drove from Oregon to the WDA show. They did it in 36 hours straight driving. It was the only way the could get there with their dogs. I believe each group traveled with at least 3 dogs. How many of you are willing to drive 40 hrs one way to a national? Terry RivendellP <rivendellp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: All the years we were at Perry,it seemed we didn't have any problems about environment. Of course there,you could step right out a door to green grass > Helen Miller Fisher Ms. Helen... Perry was a good site...but so was Albany. Stalls, and green grass everywhere. Any time we have stalls we will have dust from the shavings and the dirt. I didn't notice the dust this year but I also don't have a sensitivity to dust as many do. That said...I am sensitive to those that do but where do we draw the line? Do we make the National site the best for the many or the best for those with dust allergies? Not being snide...but asking a serious question. At this past Board meeting in St. Louis...I sat close to newly elected Board member Bart Bartly. When the Springfield Ohio site was mentioned...he stated it was...and this may be a paraphrase so I won't quote him...It was the best site for a dog show he'd seen. Joan found this show site for us and after looking at it...I was impressed. I went out on the Sunday I was leaving just so I could say I'd seen it because I couldn't stay for the Monday tour. If someone has the magic formula to make everyone happy...PLEASE...email it to THIS Board member so I can become a hero. 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