[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Applause...
- From: Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: pruett@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
Firstly i believe anyone should be able to applaud or not applaud regardless of
the reason(whether they like the dog, whether they are ordered to applaud,
whether just like to practice their applauding skills, whatever).
With that being said,
I must have all the "independent minded" clients. Firstly, i would never
insult their freedom or maturity as adults to instruct them not to applaud for
whomever they want. Secondly, they would tell me to go to h*ll if i even
broached the subject with them.
If you are weak enough to be at the mercy of who you are paying to be ordered
around by them, then certainly there is something "back asswards" in the
relationship and you get what you get.
With respect to judges, show under competent judges, these judges are strong
willed, confident and knowledeable people, applause or lack of applause does
not influence their choices.
The GSD showring is not only about the dogs, it is also a "social" event. As in
any "social" event people support or not support things for a variety of
reasons, you will never get rid of that.
However showing under competent judges and engaging in the learning process of
the what is a really good GSD and learning the standard is the true committment
of what smart, sincere and knowledgeable people(whether they be new to the
breed or not) that want to breed and show better GSD's is what the breed is
really about. They in the long run will prevail, not people who just engage in
this for the "social" benefits.
Bill
----- Original Message ----
From: Laurie Pruett <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 5:09:03 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Applause...
In response to Becky"s post below I want to make myself clear - I am NOT
anti-applause. I am against using applause to influence judges and to make
those who aren't part of the handler clicque feel excluded. Often that is how
we use applause at ringside in our breed. And if you don't think that's what
happens then you haven't shown in the Northeast very often. Becky herself told
me (last June at the NE futurity weekend) that she was no longer able to
applaud for anyone but dogs belonging to clients of the handler she was
affiliated with - she wasn't happy about it but she was complying with the
"order" from the handler.
So, applause isn't used to show support for a good dog (for example - Becky
can't applaud for a personal favorite unless her handler happens to be
presenting it). It is used to influence the outcome with the "side effect" of
making newcomers, owner handlers, and others outside of the "in-crowd" to feel
excluded. It isn't conducive to recruiting new people to the GSD conformation
ring. But, that's life, I guess, and I don't expect that it will ever change.
Leopards
don't change their spots. But, when it happens at a fun match (the entry point
for many newcomers to our sport) - I think it's very rude and very wrong..
JMO...
Laurie
I like applause. I like it whether it's for me or someone I am competing
against. It makes the show FUN, removes some of the "stuffiness" (for lack of a
better word) of all-breeds, and allows people to feel a part of the action in
the ring - whether or not it affects the judging.
I've been on the receiving end of the sound of crickets when some of my dogs
have their individual. I've also enjoyed overwhelming crowd support. I don't
care which end I get on any particular day since I breed and show dogs that I
like, without giving much thought to what another breeder may prefer.
That aside, if I wanted a silent competition, I would go to a chess match.
As always, JMO.
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