[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Another way to look at it.
- From: Terry Cochran <tinky91147@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Evan Ginsburg <elg440@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:42:43 -0700
What makes you think performance folks don't breed :0)
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Evan Ginsburg <elg440@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Tedi raised a good point, I had not thought about. Most of the breeding
> is done by the conformation people. We provide the performance dogs, and
> few of the performance exhibitors breed litters.
>
> I am not sure what that means, or how it impacts entries, but if we
> conformation people stop breeding litters, (which many have), were are the
> puppies going to come from? I know when we get calls for puppies, we have
> trouble finding anyone with litters in Southern California.
>
> Evan
>
>
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> From: cinosamgsd <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tinky91147 <tinky91147@xxxxxxxxx>; David Fritsche <
> d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: edwinx <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Showlist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 22, 2015 5:35 pm
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Interesting Decline Conformation
>
> Conformation entries are on the decline in all breeds.....this is a
> fact. All breed clubs/shows are folding left and right. There are many
> causes which I think everyone has touched on, but the bottom line is that
> people are just not breeding dogs any more. The big kennels are gone. The
> breeders are gone. Conformation is primarily a place for breeders to
> showcase their breeding stock. It is not something that the single pet
> owner generally gets involved in and if they do they almost always bring a
> single animal to a show and only do so periodically. Lose the breeders
> and you lose the entries.
>
> Cindy
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> *From:* Terry Cochran <tinky91147@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* David Fritsche <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* "edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Showlist <
> showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:01 AM
> *Subject:* [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Interesting Decline Conformation
>
> I use to think that until I photographed the Great Dane Specialty here
> in Phoenix. Total entry 89. It was the same number of entries they had last
> year.
>
> They were worried that I was a GSD photographer. Was I going to be hard
> to get along with? Would I make their dog look awful? I am sad to say that
> we do have a poor reputation among other dog fanciers. On the bight side,
> one of the judges had been to our national and was proud of the fact that
> he was mentored by Jim Moses. Was amazed at the size of our ring and said
> he would have never been able to see he dogs being shown so far away.
>
> I asked the president of the club how many professional handlers there
> were there and she told me three.
>
> Our entries are declining because we are a "Handlers Breed" if you want
> to win you need a professional handler. We have done a very poor job of
> bringing young folks into the group. The young families go to the German
> ring where they have a better chance of winning handling their own dog. And
> yes they are there in the German ring, and in the German training classes.
> The American specialty ring will soon be a thing of the past as we die
> out. We have young handlers but we are running out of young owners and
> breeders. Is there a way to turn this around. I really don't think so.
>
> Things change,
>
> Terry
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:24 PM, David Fritsche <d_fritsche@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> I’ve stated my opinion on this before, but since it is a current
> discussion, might as well refresh it.
>
> There are lots of reason advanced that are introspective and blame the
> trends on us. Although we could do better and be more friendly and cook
> better lunches and…. These are not the problem. The problem is cultural.
> Our culture is changing.
>
> The modular family has declined over the past several decades and will
> be extinct if trends continue.
> Those families that do exist have far more draws on their time and
> competition for their attention. There are graded activities for each
> member of the family that keep the family car going 70 different direction
> 8 nights a week.
>
> Sports and activities have changes also with far more active and
> dangerous activities drawing attention. A dog show you say? How many people
> will be eaten, will fall through the air without a parachute, will do 12
> flips in the air over a fire pit… ???? What, run around in a circle for a
> few minutes and get pointed to?
>
> I love it, you love it but you have to understand the details yourself
> and be able to set ringside as judge. Then it is exciting. Otherwise, for
> the current culture – not so much.
>
> I still love it and do not want to change it and want to be able to get
> out to more shows. But like many of my peers, I am older now and at some
> point I have to make that mark in the sand: No more dogs. My ability to
> handle them and care for them decreases and I do not want to leave a bunch
> of dogs to themselves when I die – and that is an inevitability that is
> slowly chasing me down.
> Dave
>
> *From:* showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:31 AM
> *To:* dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Interesting Decline Conformation
>
> So why ( if in fact ) are we slowly going the way of the dinosaur ? Dogs
> are just as popular ( if not more so) in our society as they've ever been!
> I still get chocked up when I see a guide dog, or a police dog taking down
> the bad guy... Why is OUR sport suffering? Is it us? Not blaming, just
> asking! Too many lurkers on this list! Give your opinion, join the
> discussion, or start a new one! Stormy WILL protect you! Look at at all the
> ridiculous things I post! Raiders moving back to LA.... God lets hope so (
> Sorry Zoe..lol) FB
>
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> ------ Original Message ------
>
> *From: *Evan Ginsburg
> *To: *freelist
> *Sent: *February 21, 2015 at 8:07 AM
> *Subject: *[ SHOWGSD-L ] Interesting Decline Conformation
>
>
> those numbers do not report what is really happening to the core and life
> blood of the Sport, Conformation.
>
> What do we do? Face the facts. Recognition of the problem with facts
> is the first, easiest, and most obvious step.
>
>
>
> Linda brings to us a most interesting issue and study. I printed out
> two lines from the post that set forth the real issue.
>
> There is a saying, GI, GO. It means, garbage in, garbage out.
>
> Here is the problem. If you start with the statement that the "life
> blood of the Sport, Conformation", then you have created a problem not
> based on fact. It is clear, Conformation is not the life blood of the
> sport, any longer. Every other facet of dog shows is growing, except
> Conformation. So, is it not time to stop clinging to the theory that the
> part of the sport we on this List love, and keep saying it is the life
> blood, when it is not? Maybe it used to be, but the figures tell us it is
> not.
>
> Then, at the end the article says, "Face the facts". So, let's face the
> facts. Conformation has become something less than the driving force for
> dog shows. That is not a good thing, nor is it a bad thing. It is the
> "fact" and we need to face it.
>
> It is true that we want it to be the "Life Blood", but wanting won't do
> it. We love conformation, but the majority of dog show entries show us
> that what we love is not what is the "life blood" of the sport.
>
> When we recognize the facts, we can figure out what to do about it. Do
> we want to increase Conformation when the majority of dog show entries
> don't desire that? Maybe so, but if we do that, we need to do it with the
> understanding that we are pushing against the tide. There is nothing wrong
> with "tilting at windmills", so long as you know the windmill is going to
> win.
>
> Not that there is anything wrong with that, so long as you know what
> the facts are.
>
> Evan
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